I think I’m the victim of autocorrect but it certainly possible that I had a brain fart. I’m sure that’s the first one this year.
Out of curiosity I looked up the release date of Officer and a Gentleman and it was 1982 so the boys I’m thinking of were probably 12. Then I got to thinking about some of the quotes from that movie; I don’t think a lot of them would fly today.
HA! I KNEW they got it from AOAAG (which I always referred to as “that movie about those two guys”)!
BTW, I saw a screenshot of that editor woman’s tweet, and what I really want to know is: did she ever pass that chemistry course?
Sure, but what if they did?
Try it, you might like it.
Maybe you can just fuck off with the insinuating I’m senile or a liar crap, then.
There’s nothing “spectacular” about not being a misogynistic prick, even in your teens.
And excusing it, as you’re doing, is a big part of the problem. Any “boys will be boys” asshole, like you, should not be in charge of teens. You’ll do nothing to break the cycle and just prep more young men for patriarchy like your forbears did to you.
Dude, teens can and do steal, rape, murder. They’re not babies. Especially late teens, as she was. Damn straight they should be held accountable. Not the same as adults, for various reasons, but they’re thinking beings with accountability.
Not much room with his head in there.
It’s not a very big head, I’m guessing, since it seems to have so little brain. I’m sure there’s room for a saguaro or two.
No thanks. I’ll just have to take your word for it.
Must have been a peak experience for you.
What makes you think that the “woke left” isn’t doing the exact same thing – judging these situations on an individual, case-by-case basis ?
We don’t read about the airplanes that don’t crash.
There are two metrics here that are both continua:
Collectively, society is placing pins at points along both lines. That really seems to be the nature of the disagreement: where each pin should be placed.
Lol, the entire world is turning into message board culture where the SDMB bannings of yesteryear are being writ large on the overall society.
It does keep bigots out of influential positions where they can implement their prejudices, it does demonstrate that decent people won’t tolerate their bigotry. Fighting racism isn’t about changing these shitbags, it’s about pushing them back under the rock from whence they crawled. What possible good comes from tolerating them – maybe hope that one day they see the light? Who cares, just let’s stop giving these people a platform. Racist should = loser, not Vogue editor or President of the US.
Heh. I never saw Officer and a Gentleman. I knew the phrase from Bloom County.
I get your point. I agree that 17 year olds frequently do stupid things. I agree that something you did at 17 shouldn’t destroy your life.
But Condé Nast is a free market business. Do you know who doesn’t agree that 17 year olds do stupid things that should never be held against them? Highly progressive 17 year olds that identify strongly as anti-racist. In other words, the core commercial market for Teen Vogue magazine.
I’m not saying you don’t have a point, that Teen Vogue towel was folded really poorly. But frankly, I’ve think you’ve fallen into the trap of believing that the other side is somehow acting in good faith and that if “the left” somehow starts folding the towels better, the harassment will stop.
I just don’t think the issue deserves the oxygen that you’re giving it, especially in light of the fact that destroying the lives of underprivileged people that made stupid mistakes in their teens is a core conservative principle that drives conservative public policy, enacted under the color of “personal responsibility. I think these are the issues that should be a at the core of any argument about forgiveness for youthful mistakes, just like I feel that the mass concerted Republican effort to destroy politicians and even civilian employees that don’t fall in line behind Donald Trump should be at the core of any discussion about “cancel culture”.
It may be unfair that a woman that made racist comments at age 17 now finds those comments have disqualified her from editing a magazine that is exclusively targeted to woke 17 year olds. But life’s not fair, and in terms of injustice this one isn’t even worthy of the world’s smallest violin.
Reading this thread, I’m very glad that a permanent record (permanant no matter how hard I tried to delete it) wasn’t kept of everything I thought, said and did in the mid-70s, when I was Ms. McCammond’s age.
I wouldn’t just be unemployed, I’d be fairly recently out of prison.
Get a grip. I explicitly said that teens should be punished at the time for misdeeds. If, after ten years the person has shown that they’ve matured then I have no problem moving on.
Your comments make me think of people who want to try juveniles as adults to make them pay.
Well, this one wasn’t. So here we are…
You also OK with teen murderers and rapists having a “keep it quiet for 8-years” get out of jail free card?
Let me add my apologies if I implied you were going senile; it wasn’t my intent. We have a tendency to glorify the past, especially our childhood. From a neutral view that could be happening here. It’s just as possible that I’m full of shit.
This one.
I don’t glorify my past. It is what it is.
Hmm, wonder what asahi thinks of this example of ‘’‘cancel culture’‘’…
What should her punishment have been? Kicked out of school? Automatically fired from whatever job she had? Whatever, probably not as much as you’re calling for today. Your desire for retribution is concerning.