No problem. But shouldn’t you be smashing potato heads?
I already Has, Bro.
No offense, but that’s a piss poor analogy. I’m not talking about context of the time, as if anti-Asian bigotry was somehow more culturally acceptable in 2011 than it is now. Nobody ever said that.
I’m pointing out that an individual said something when she was younger, was confronted by others, apologized for it, owned it, deleted the comments, and tried to move on – only to have her mistakes used against her again.
So once again, we’re back to my point: when does this individual stop paying for her ‘crime’?
You’ve basically accused me of ducking your questions, but I think I’ve answered them. By contrast, you’re not answering the fundamental question I keep asking and asking and asking: when is enough, enough?
Should she have a national day of apology every March for the rest of her life?
Oh wow, lookie: Dibs has more insults. But I kinda like “fuckknuckle” – pretty creative, lol.
You really need to stop shoving cacti up your ass.
I never thought you thought any different, fatherfucker.
I’ve sworn at people. I have not called anyone stupid. Idiot, yes, but not stupid.
Because it had all the sincerity of a wet 3-days-old Sun tabloid.
No, I’ve decided that people with shitty opinions who actively increase misogyny don’t deserve respect.
No, I said you’re part of the misogyny problem. Not the same thing.
Motherfucker, this is the Pit. “Fairly” is my right nut, “calm” is my left, why don’t you suck on both and shut up? Take you octoputz-lite tone policing and fuck off.
Dude, I have worse rants about racism and misogyny in the break room. I don’t work for snowflakes.
Like I said - not witty, and too cretinous to realize there’s nothing ingratiating about yourself.
But at least you can “No, u!” as well as the average toddler. So you have that going for you.
Every time I walk into the local Porsche dealership, I can’t afford to buy the car of my childhood dreams.
When will the savage unfairness end ? When will I stop being penalized for not putting economic gain above all other considerations in choosing a career path ?
I keep answering your question time and again, and so do others.
NOT getting the SCOTUS seat wouldn’t have harmed Kavanaugh in any meaningful way. NOT getting The Top Job In Her Field doesn’t harm McCammond in any meaningful way.
In my analogy, if I can only buy a Lexus but not that much sought after Porsche … well … I hope you’ll be a forceful advocate for my misfortune.
I just don’t think the prices being paid by these very few people are either draconian or not reflective of the potential harm they caused.
We put contrite people in prison all the time. Their contrition is taken into consideration at sentencing. Their behavior is considered by Parole Boards.
Some get light sentences. Some get Parole. But not all. As I earlier said, we have felonies, misdemeanors, civil infractions, and things that piss off large chunks of society.
Just because McCannon may or may not ever get her dream job doesn’t inherently make the price paid too high or the trigger for where ‘offense’ lies too sensitive.
Not a piss-poor analogy, either. You just don’t like it 
By the way, @Asahi …
The Civil War analogy works perfectly. It’s just the 150 Years Later version as much of the air is let out of both the ‘crime’ (slavery) and ‘punishment’ (Civil War) components.
We’re now talking about abject racism that has incalculable, but – most would agree – insidious and deleterious effects (‘crime’) and the loss of a single dream job (‘punishment’).
But isn’t that still part of the same fucking problem – the demonization and diminution of others who are different from us ?
In other words, we’re still fighting that same basic fight, though the intensity (how grateful should I be about this ?) has diminished markedly over these generations.
This one’s moving way too slowly.
You might argue that potential allies are alienated by the excessive price these people are paying. I would argue that there’s no meaningful deterrent at play because nobody is really paying any kind of meaningful price for this bullshit.
Still.
You’re a silly scallywaaaag…
And … yeah … one more:
That wasn’t my point. My point was that people want to look back on Slavery and say that – because it was a different time – we shouldn’t judge those who were willing to die for the right to own another human being.
But more than half the country thought differently.
My point is … McCammond put a big question mark on herself for a very few particular future opportunities by what she did when ‘she was young and foolish.’
And that puts her in a relatively small pool (using my analogy: the universe of those who thought it was okay to own another human being), where I could make a business decision to instead hire somebody who was Woke AF, and did not think owning another human was copacetic.
Maybe McCammond will get a high-level job with Fox News. Seriously. That’s how this shit tends to play out these days.
But some doors will likely always be closed to her – that Porsche vs. Lexus thing again.
So I’m beginning to understand the timeline a bit more.
2011-12: McCammond is in college. She is a racist, homophobic dirtbag, confident enough in the righteousness of her viewpoint that she’s willing to be a racist, homophobic dirtbag in the digital equivalent of a public square soapbox.
2017: McCammond gets hired at Axios and begins doing some good work covering progressive stuff. The tweets are still there.
November 2019: McCammond’s tweets resurface. She apologizes and deletes them. Life goes on for her at Axios.
Februrary 2021: 15 months later, McCammond interviews for a plum job at a publication owned by Conde Nast. She is upfront about the tweets and, presumably, gets good references from the folks at Axios. The hiring committee decides that the tweets aren’t too big a deal. They hire her.
March 2021: When her new staff find out about the hire, they raise concerns. The public raises concerns. Advertisers raise concerns. Conde Nast backtracks and McCammond bows out.
An important thing, to me, is the timeframe between the initial apology and getting hired at Teen Vogue. 15 months is not a very long time. It’s not like people are digging into the half-remembered misty past here.
Another is the way Conde Nast went about it. They could have gotten in front of the issue by speaking to their staff first and highlighting McCammond’s positive journalistic contributions during her professional career. They could have made this a redemption story. Instead, they assumed that there’d be no backlash. They chose poorly and put themselves into a position where they had to weigh the concerns of their employees, readership, and advertisers against their initial hiring choice. They fucked up bad.
Another is McCammond’s willingness to bow out. She strikes me as a perceptive young lady who understands that she’s not done paying for her past mistakes. She also strikes me as a perceptive young lady who understands that she’s 27 years old and has an awful lot of career ahead of her. She’s bowing out gracefully, which again speaks to her perceptiveness, and I think she’ll be just fine. I also, FWIW, think her apologies are sincere.
Here’s the thing - Ahasi seems to believe the tweets shouldn’t be a factor in choosing McCammond for employment. Nobody agrees with him, not even McCammond. This is evidenced by the fact that the tweets came up during the interview process, and that she was forthright about them. That means everyone acknowledges them as a potential for concern. Conde Nast just decided that her other qualifications outweighed the potential negative impacts. And they might have been right, if they’d gone about things differently. Instead, they faced backlash from all categories of stakeholders (both internal and external) and were forced to make a call.
I’m also tickled by the notion that this is some kind of internet mob justice. Do we think journalists of all people aren’t going to immediately start researching their incoming new boss?
it is the very definition of privilege to tell an aggrieved minority that they do not have the right to feel aggrieved. “Get over it!” we say. “It was ten years ago! People change! Should she have to apologize forever? Why can’t you be more like us and be willing to forget the inconvenient racial unpleasantness of the past? We’re great at that.”
Well fuck us when we start feeling the weight of our white man’s burden.
Nice.
And otherwise expected-to-be-conservative businesses in general, I suppose. As you stated, people actually running real succesful businesses like stability and order.
Whoa… was going along until you got to this – THAT would be disporportionate punishment and public shame.
(OK, snark aside, seriously … that would sound like McCannon might as well be Huckabee-Sanders or McEnany? I don’t see it that way and I don’t see that happening. As Ann_Hedonia wrote earlier …
That, and as a way to continue to shit-stir over the T.J. Ducklo incident “oh, look how the woke left eats its own! what hypocrites!” )
@Johnny_Bravo puts it very well and clearly. Correct me if I’m wrong but as far as I can tell, McCammond is not is not the one doomsquawking about it, if she needs/wants defending she can well ask for it with her own voice.
It’s not exactly without precedent:
It’s good business … in that craven way that business is so often done.
Your posts, but we knew that already.
Even your abused framing device is nonsense and clearly just following the dictates of the right wing info sphere.
It is really the other way around.
Asked on “Fox News Sunday” if the president regretted either his own attacks or a chant of “Lock her up” that broke out at a Saturday rally, Miller responded, “No, not at all.”
“I think the fact of the matter is many residents of Michigan are pretty frustrated with the governor [and] they want to see the state open back up,” Miller said.
“I’m glad that President Trump’s DOJ was able to get these psychopaths and put them away,” Miller said of the alleged plotters, “but the fact of the matter is, people in Michigan want to get their state opened back up.”
The same type of who Miller (And the other Miller in the Trump admin is a definition of what a psychopath in power was) was talking about there, were called to do their thing on January 6 in the capitol. They already know the kind of people they are attracting for the present and the future.
When folks who do a mean tweet get consequenced harder than anarchists who loot in the name of social justice or toss Molotov cocktails at the police the society has some backwards priorities.
Who are we talking about ? Were they identified, arrested, tried, and – if convicted – sentenced ?
What sentence(s) did that group receive ? For what charge(s) ?
Not my problem that you certify to all readers that you remain an ignoramus.
We had this conversation before; authorities, even in blue states, arrested the ones involved in violence.
You are at the point of not even caring to make a claim that will stand up, aren’t you?
Well reasoned, well said, and well-written.
That said, certain personal characteristics of asahi’s that I believe I’ve gleaned* over the years lead me to expect that he’s not that likely to experience the weight of the “white man’s burden” any time soon. At least not in the way your typical white man generally would.
*My apologies if my gleaning turns out to have been sub-optimal.