But would that be a moral thing to do?
Morals are irrelevant to business in modern American cspitalism.
Are you asking whether it’s moral for the unscrupulous employer to search in an employees history to find a reason to fire the employee, vs. whether it’s moral to just fire the employee?
If that’s your question, if it were me, I’d rather just be fired than fired after an employee dug though my SDMB history (for example) looking for and publishing a reason to fire me. So, I’d say going straight to firing is more moral.
Morals are irrelevant to business, period.
I think, then, that it’s corporations that should come to the table, then, and have the balls to say, “The employee made an error in judgement in the past and, while regrettable, they apologized for the behavior and have learned from their past mistake(s). We realize that people are capable of changing over time.” But, as you say, the free market is not interested in morality, just their bottom line. I feel that a company, especially a highly visible one, that does something like the hypothetical I described above would be viewed the same way that Kaepernick was when he took the knee. That took a lot of balls to do what he did.
Disney could have done this and would have returned 99.9% of the fans for mandalorian season 3 and would have picked up the other 0.1% if season 3 was good. It requires the employee to apologize though and more importantly stop doing what they were doing. I don’t see any way she was going to stop so Disney didn’t have a choice.
Other companies without the draw could wreck themselves. I’d guess teen vouge might actually have its readers walk away since they haven’t been hooked since the 70s.
(emphasis added - JRD)
Disney’s position of extreme power also works in the opposite direction. They can afford to lose Carano without breaking a sweat - and since she had already had a heads-up about things like this, she should have been aware of the need to tread lightly.
The company also might have felt this was the time to send a signal to all cast members to not test where’s the line.
What GC threw away is almost mind-boggling – years and years of likely quite steady acting work, very high profile, massive popularity… all to spread bigoted bullshit and lies? It almost defies belief.
I wasn’t referring to people being fired due to repeated violations of company policy. I agree that a company should let them go if the employee doesn’t apologize and keeps up the assholishness. I was referring to an employee who said something stupid in their youth but it was dug up and used against them.
Depends on what they said. Depends on how they said it. Depends on where they said it. Depends on what the customers think, what fellow employees think, what subordinates think, what shareholders think, what the board of director thinks. Depends on all sorts of stuff.
If you’re looking for someone to say, “yes, of course your incredibly vague hypothetical has a concrete answer which should always apply,” you’re not gonna get it here.
“They pissed me off. I want them fired!!!”
Because that will make us more tolerant.
Seriously, the responses I’ve read here are more geared toward punitive then the idea that a person can be rehabilitated. What political party does that remind me of?
That’s my rub: this zero-tolerance shit. I fight like a mother fucker against the idea that some black kid should be expelled from a school for getting into a fist fight or some black 18 year old should have his whole life thrown away over a third ‘offense’…like shoplifting. Zero-tolerance. Minimum sentencing. Cancel culture. It’s all the same shit, the idea that people can’t fuck up with the words they use, the ideas in their heads, or their actions.
“Make them pay” forever…because we’re angry.
Uh, no. People are human. Including you.
You can stop right there. The rest of your quote is dependent upon the company. And I stand by what I said that a company that keeps an employee regardless of something they said or did in the past has integrity if the potential employee showed remorse and refrains from doing it in the future.
Asahi, minorities have had to fight “zero-tolerance” shit longer than you have been alive.
That’s true. And both sides of that dynamic are rotten roles. Reversing who’s relegated to which of them doesn’t make them any less rotten. Even if doing so does provide some temporary catharsis, there always ends up being a bill to be paid.
I don’t disagree at all. I just sometimes disagree over how to best be an anti-racist.
There are a lot of fights to fight out there and I’m not sure that joining forces with hard right conservatives in their efforts to destroy a liberal media outlet, (one that is educating the next generation anti-racists ) for firing someone for not being liberal enough is the best way to be anti-racist.
Has anyone released the actual letter that the 20 Teen Vogue staffers sent recommending against McCammond? I’ve tried to find it, but all I can find is stories about the letter, and I’ve seen reporting that indicates that while the tweets may have been a factor, there were other, more significant factors and blaming it all on tweets is right wing spin.
I felt that her close relationship with the Biden Administration was problematic, as Teen Vogue covers presidential politics critically and the Biden Administration is well to the right of their editorial positions on most issues.
These are not remotely comparable to being denied a job as an editor of a major publication.
And the New Republic link that Ann Hedonia posted is interesting. It seems we haven’t actually heard from the staff publicly. This was Conde Nast’s decision.
Yep. Interesting read. No matter how you slice it – whether junior staff complained loudly to management or not – the fault lies entirely with senior management of CN that made the knee-jerk cowardly decision to push out McCammond.