Was she banned from social media platforms for this comment ? Who has robbed her of her right to speak out ?
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We need to have some built in level of tolerance for occasionally controversial views.
That missed the larger point of my post.
Again, it was not just for one tweet, and it is clear that you did not read the thread.
“Occasionally controversial views” are things like Reaganomics and the Laffer Curve, or the hyperbolic “War on Christmas”. Advocating against wearing masks indoors to prevent contagion during an ongoing pandemic and denying the legitimacy of an election and claiming voter fraud in counts that have been repeatedly verified aren’t just controversial views; they are patent falsehoods that have demonstrably harmful consequences.
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Somebody was explaining to me Lou Dobbs was just a constant stream of bullshit, whereas Tucker Carlson’s schtick is to spout the outrageous lies only 95% of the time, but then occasionally pick some random moment to go with reality and the truth on some issue. This veneer of objectivity supports a “follow the facts” narrative, the 5% where he goes against the standard right wing lies is used to bolster the narrative that the 95% of lies that he spouts really are the brave truth that the liberal media don’t want you to hear.
Recently, @asahi seems to be using an analogous schtick from the opposite end of the truth spectrum. For years he has been correctly warning just us how dangerous Trump and the MAGA movement are for our nation, while many of us dismissed his concerns about how bad this could get as hyperbole. Yet recently he inexplicably took the position that there was nothing suspicious about the ease with which the mob overran the Capitol. And now, apparently, cancel culture is out of control when looney bigot spouts lies and is fired for it…? @asahi, you were right, and there’s no need to mirror the “Tucker 5%” strategy and be sympathetic to the deplorables 5% of the time.
DemonTree read the thread. This is just deliberate shit-stirring.
I tend to be on the more conservative side of the board but I’ve got no problem with her being fired/contract not being renewed/not hired for a new job. Disney has always been very protective of it brand when it comes to it’s entertainers. This has also been a long time coming. They stood by her over the summer and fall and even ran a bit of a PR campaign where other actors defended her in the media. But even back in December there were rumors that Disney was requiring Gina to publicly apologise before they gave her the series. She never did apologize so they probably fired her back then and didn’t make a big deal about it and this only came out when they were asked to comment on her further behavior.
I’m not mirroring the deplorables; it’s an honest opinion. I’m not saying Carano shouldn’t be sanctioned.
I’ll modify my opinion to acknowledge that she apparently had a history that I wasn’t aware of. My initial impetus for the thread was the latest outrage, which, though they indeed constitute stupidity on her part, didn’t by themselves merit her getting kicked off the show.
In tandem with her previous comments about masks and the ‘stolen’ election, perhaps more understandable, though even so, still not over-the-top outrageous, in my view.
So just because enough vocal people on the Internet don’t like what someone posts, they should be fired from a job they are otherwise performing well? I would be more likely to blame whatever social media she posted the comments on than Disney.
And yes I would certainly want to be explicitly told that I’m not allowed to post the sort of things I was posting in my personal life before I was fired. She was probably aware of the controversy, but perhaps in her little Mandalorian production bubble didn’t realize that higher-ups at Disney would actually fire her over her personal posts. It’s not like she posted “Hey kids, Cara Dune wants you to know that Liberals are just like Nazis, may the force be with you!”
I had no idea she was posting anything controversial, and don’t really think it deserves this sort of attention or reaction. I just care that she did her job well and now The Mandalorian has changed because of a bunch of whining.
Just ask Ahnold.
Why don’t you read the fucking thread before you post this bullshit? It wasn’t just one tweet. Dumbass.
@asahi, you know if you’re on the same side of DemonTree for some cancel culture bullshit, you’re doing it wrong.
If the belief is that they represent the views of your customers, in particular your target demographic and the opinion makers, then hell yeah. Unless the product is otherwise performing well enough to offset that. It seems like she was not. She is not the star. She is a very replaceable widget of the show. They can easily find a better actor who can serve the plot needs. Y’all must be horrified with The Expanse!
A few dumb tweets? Roll eyes. Offensively stupid on the heels of many dumb tweets? When you work as front facing talent for Disney? That is by definition a product not performing well.
If being stupid were grounds for firing, Hollywood would be a ghost town.
If she was just “stupid”, there wouldn’t be a problem.
Both of these should, in the case of an actor, be primarily defined by their contract and the SAG-AFTRA collective agreements.
Literally yes! I’m trying to figure out what kind of jobs everyone else apparently has where they can just, like, say whatever whenever and it doesn’t matter.
I think I’m pretty likely to just blame Gina Carano, who is conveniently responsible for her own words and actions.
Look, I think I need to walk through this step by step, and see where I diverge from the people who think Disney made a bad or wrong decision here.
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You have a job. In this particular case, your job is in television, which means part of your job is not doing things that will reduce the appeal of your show, or your employers other shows. This applies not just to political speech but to a whole mess of things - it’s generally a problem when actors actively criticize their own shows, or post spoilers that might ruin the experience for some viewers.
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You say a bunch of crap on social media that qualifies as controversial.
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Now, because you’ve said these things, a certain number of people are going to stop watching your show while you’re on it. You can argue that those people “shouldn’t” stop watching, but that’s pointless - there are a billion entertainment choices available to a viewer, so there’s really no reason too small to stop watching a given one. A subset of those people will also stop watching other things created by the same company. A further subset will stop patronizing advertisers.
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Of course, there are people who like what you’ve said, who might start watching because of it. And there are plenty of people who don’t care about what you’ve said, but who enjoy watching you, who might stop watching if you’re not on the show.
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The company must now make a calculation: bottom line, is the value of having you around still a net positive for the company? Every company in the world makes that calculation about every employee every day.
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They conclude that “no,” your presence is now likely to result in less value, long- and/or short-term than your absence. They fire you (or as appears to have happened here, decline to renew your working relationship).
Has Disney calculated incorrectly in this instance? Perhaps. They have a lot of very highly paid people who have no job other than to study these things, so they’re probably more in tune with how their viewership and brand are affected by various factors than we are.
But still, if you disagree with their decision here - if you agree with Gina Carano or are angry enough that she won’t be on Disney+ that you want to stop watching - then you can stop watching and help change the math.
If there are not clauses that reflect that behavior outside the workplace that reflects other than in brand interests may be cause for termination I’d be shocked.
Or commercial time during said shows, which I gather doesn’t really apply here.
What happened on The Expanse?
Spoiler for end of season 5
I’m going to guess that it’s a reference to actor Cas Anvar, who played Alex on the show, but who won’t be appearing in the sixth and final season.