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You’re welcome to do so, but those are just about the worst citations I’ve ever seen.
The first one is an op-ed piece which doesn’t mention gun crime at all - just violent crime. There are plenty of violent crimes in Britain; beatings, stabbings, and so on - but there are hardly any gun crimes, which is obviously a big difference.
The second one appears to be about the NYPD and doesn’t seem to have anything to do with Britain
The third one is another op-ed piece written by… a dentist and an optometrist. And published in NewsMax, which is one step above the Iraqi propaganda minister for accuracy in reporting.
The fourth one doesn’t specifically mention gun crime at all.
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They adequately illustrate the proclivity of beleaguered pols to tamper with the official numbers to achieve the desired results.
Or have you forgotten the “13 children a day die to gun violence” lie that had to count as “children” 24 year olds to shore up their numbers?
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Or have you forgotten the “13 children a day die to gun violence” lie that had to count as “children” 24 year olds to shore up their numbers?
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Yes, 19 year old gangbangers do not count as “children.” Those statistics are always fudged somehow. A wise man once said, “data that has been sufficiently tortured will confess to anything.”
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Yes, 19 year old gangbangers do not count as “children.” Those statistics are always fudged somehow. A wise man once said, “data that has been sufficiently tortured will confess to anything.”
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Are you perhaps thinking of 19th century British PM Benjamin Disraeli’s famous quote, " There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, And Statistics?"
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
I didn’t expect to have to explain that, and now that I have to it’s hard to put into words - but here goes.
Shool shootings account for a large proportion of the “mass” shootings that take place (in the US).
Schools are not shot up because they’re “soft” targets, but because they’re full of kids, and kids do stupid things. ( I suppose that’s a bit of an assumption on my part, but I think a fair one since we haven’t seen a rash of senior-center shootings and so on)
Seems a bit unfair to count school shootings when we analyze the data, on those grounds.
It would be particularly unfair given that AFAIK the really draconian anti-gun-near-school policies were enacted after Columbine, Paducah, etc., and we’re presumably talking about statistics that go back much farther.
Of course, this is purely hypothetical at the moment since I can’t actually find any statistics grouping shootings by location type. :mad:
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So, it would seem that schools, when you consider the whole of them rather than the very, very few in which a shooting occurs, are indeed gun-free zones. Or at the worst, if guns are indeed present, they’re not being misused.
ExTank, I’m going to have to agree with RNATB, those cites are terrible, and your logic for using them is tortured. I think you’d best cede that point.
You posted two links to the same site saying crime reports should be handled by an independant body and the other site says violent crimes are over reported. How does this support your position?
