Girls just lack integrity

[Lexicon]

Originally posted by fillet:

It just seems to me that lately there is less interest in fighting ignorance on this board than there is in immediately pissing all over somebody who might just be here because they want to learn something (as well as have fun).

Don’t tell me, pal, I’ll fuckin’ tell you. What I meant by that is: Agreed, Amen, And how! When I read the above it brought a tear to my eye to think that someone else has noticed this. Most of the regulars here are cool as hell, but there are a couple o’ sanctimonious assholes that feel it is their duty to make fun of every posting a newbie has to offer. Often, it seems regardless of that posts content.
It seems as though they don’t want anyone new on the board who isn’t as stuck up, self-righteous, sanctimonious, and suffering from delusions of grandeur as they are.
People like that really piss me off, IMHO no one should take themselves so seriously, especially not on a MB.

But, I don’t think Spiritus or Wally qualify. Spiritus may have flamed a little bit, but
one-this is the pit and
two-the gist I got from the OP was that cheating and plagiarizing are like stealing and therefore really fucked up things to do.
That’s why it seemed like you had a chip.
But 'scool. I can agree with you on the above point.

“Winners never quit and quitters never win, but those who never win and never quit are idiots.”

[Spiritus_Mundi]

Hmmm, so much has happened since I was last here.

1. Yes the thread title is plural. For reasons too pitiful to divulge I had that stupid Cindy Lauper song infecting my brain and I decided to twist it into an admitedly lame (and apparently unnoticeable) pun. I took care, though, to specify my target clearly in the OP. I do not think anybody reading my post can reasonably infer that I am making a general condemnation of those who lack Y chromosomes.

2. Yes, A girl has apologized and retracted her request. Good for her. It happened after I posted my thoughts, so I certainly will not apologize for failing to wait and see if she reversed her position before speaking my mind.

3. I made it quite clear on the original thread that I was posting my opinion in the PIT. That seemed appropriate, since the thoughts I wished to express certainly were critical of a specific poster.

4. Fillet, I never claimed to have led a sin-free life. I have also never expected men and women of conscience to turn the other way or bite their tongues if they see me acting dishonorably. In fact, my life has been vastly improved by my associations with people who were every bit as exacting and uncompromising on matters of honor as you view my post to have been. I care not at all whether you felt I was too harsh to A girl. Her proposed action was heinous. I told her so. I did not call her names. I did not use profanity. I did not try to drive her from the board. I made no reference to her status, newbie or otherwise. I made a judgment about an act to which she had asked us to become accessories. If you or any other poster here had done the same, you would have received the same response.

5. I will not apologize to A girl. I see no reason to do so. I will also not hold this episode against her. I have no reason to do so. She made a mistake. She realized her mistake. She corrected her mistake. I applaud her for that act. It takes courage to admit you were wrong publicly, and it takes perhaps more courage to admit you were wrong to yourself. Congratulations, A girl, well done.

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The best lack all conviction
The worst are full of passionate intensity.
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[Fillet]

Spiritus, it’s fine to point out the errors of others, but I still think you used an ICBM to make your point when a bazooka would have had an appropriate effect.

She made a mistake. She realized her mistake. She corrected her mistake. I applaud her for that act. It takes courage to admit you were wrong publicly, and it takes perhaps more courage to admit you were wrong to yourself. Congratulations, A girl, well done.

That’s all I hoped to see. Thank you.

[Also_a_Girl]

(It’s me, A girl. I’m posting under this name because my password for A girl is at work, as well as the E-mail address to get the password.)

All I can say is WOW!

I guess I have some 'splaining to do.

I didn’t realize when I first wrote the original post how horrible it would sound. I didn’t post it to say, ha ha, watch me get these smart people to do my work for me. I didn’t post it because I’m generally a cheating scum. The facts, ugly as they are, are as follows:

1. I don’t like the class. All the facts and debates and prove this and write that by then. I’m more of a fantasy person, so it’s kind of rigid.

2. This class is not all that important to me, more like a nuisance I must endure. Like a very, very long plane ride to end up at your desired destination.

3. Since writing these papers is very difficult for me, it takes a long time to even get a first draft, which doesn’t leave much time for proofing and etc. So the stuff I turn in I already know is insufficient, and it gets disheartening.

4. I’m lazy as a rail when it comes to doing something I really don’t have an interest in doing!!

I realized, after reading the posts from people who were kind enough to point out the err of my ways, that the easy path was not the best way, that I should do my own work and take my lumps. I apologized and thought it was over. Then I wandered into the Pit! I thought this topic was about girls in general and was very surprised to find it was an attack on me specifically!! Granted, not wanting to do my own work was not a good idea, but a loser, a scumbag, I should have my arms chopped off?? Haven’t any of you ever wanted to take the easy way out of a dreaded chore or task? I don’t drown kittens for Pete’s sake! I tried not to take it too personally, this is the Pit, but I was taken aback. When I first saw this topic, it was right around the time the “arms chopped off” post was made. I did not see this topic prior to my apologizing post in the other thread.

By the time I got online at home, Fillet had come to my defense, and I thank you, Fillet, wholeheartedly for that. I did start to think about it further and realized that some of you have a point. If this were some Senior Thesis and my degree depended on it, or if this were a test in a class I really was interested in, or a subject wherein the knowledge to be gained would benefit me or others, I wouldn’t have thought to try something like this. I really didn’t feel I would be hurting anyone, but it was pointed out to me that I would be hurting myself by not at least trying to learn from the experience, so I figured I’ll give it my best shot, and write my own paper. (Although I would love to turn in the Abe-Lincoln-kicking-ass thing, that was great!! )

So thank you, it’s been an interesting day! And again, a special thank you to Fillet. I hope you don’t mind, but you are my hero.

A girl

[Spiritus_Mundi]

Wally, trust me, the OP was not an ICBM. It was a flame, which is why it was posted in the PIT. Your comment

there is less interest in fighting ignorance on this board than there is in immediately pissing all over somebody who might just be here because they want to learn something

seems particularly misplaced in response to this thread.

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The best lack all conviction
The worst are full of passionate intensity.
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[TVeblen]

Can we all declare this the tempest in the teapot that was the exception that proved the rule except when the cosine of the hectare, squared, equalled the Lady of Shallot (finely diced) was quartered by the heliosphere of the Guy Thread, Bj0rnonics, and populist raving conspiracy theories?

C’mon, group hug and a round of “kumbyah” just to piss of Alphagene.

Yawn.

Veb

[MandaJo]

You take critisism so well, A Girl, I thought I would give you a little more.

[bold] You will never be better than a piss-poor fiction writer if you do not master the ‘rigid stuff’, and it becomes second nature. [/bold]

There are no exceptions to this and no short cuts. Period. Good writting means extrodinary control over launguage. When the raw stuff of art comes gushing out of your head you need the tools and the skill to shape it into a form that captures and preserves it. And the best way to learn to do this is through practicing clear expository writing. Learning to write is like learning to cook. If you start off with the experimental stuff it ends up tasting like shit because you don’t understand the way that the ingredeints work together. You have to start off cooking simple things with recipes before you have any hope of succeding ad-lib.

Remember, no one can right well naturally. For example, the Beat poets, infamous as free, unchecked spirits, met each other at Columbia University.

I highly recomend you invest five bucks in a tiny little book called The Elements of Style by Strunk and White. It takes 45 minutes to an hour to read and will teach you everything you need to know to begin to develop the skills you need to write a five page term paper easily.

As far as a topic goes, pick something that you already know a fair bit about, so that you can concentrate more on your writting (the thing you want to improve) than on your topic.

Here are some suggestions for simple, yet substanitive, papers for a 101 class:

Any mythological system (Greek myths, Aztec myths, Russian myths. . . )
Urban legends (you can do all your research on snopes and the references listed on snopes)
School vouchers–for or against
Mac vs. PC
NT vs. Linnux
Any very specific enviromental issue
The different ways race or gender are presented in any two texts (books, TV shows, movies, commercials, all are fair game)
Compare two translations of the same work from different times (that is two souces right there)

Don’t write on:
Legalizing marijuana (not because it is contriversial, but because 1 out of 5 students write this same essay. It is boring.)
Abortion (same thing)
The ontological arguement for the existance of god
Why Christianity is good
Why Christianity is bad
I would be more than happy to help you narrow any of these down and distil out a thesis if you want. My email address is posted. Writing papers is what I do, and I am pretty good at it. Finding a good thesis the most important thing–if you can do that, the paper will write itself.

[Lexicon]

Remember, no one can right well naturally…

Obviously…

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“Winners never quit and quitters never win, but those who never win and never quit are idiots.”

[ReservoirDog]

Originally posted by Manda JO:
**Good writting means extrodinary control over launguage.

Would you take advice on writing from this person?

Too funny.

[A_girl]

Wow… I can’t believe what this has turned into, but I did want to say…

Um, (preparing to be stoned) I’m not out to be the next (insert name of favorite fiction writer here), I, uh, write
fan-fiction. ::ducking::

I told you it was for FUN, right??

So that’s why I thought I’d take a class! So far I’ve written three (3) stories. That’s it!! And a couple of people have said, after reading one or two of them, (paraphrased) “Hey, you aren’t completely untalented!” So I took that as a compliment and thought I’d get some tips on writing. It’s just a fun, interesting little hobby!!

This is all too funny… But back to the original thing, I’ll take people up on offers of help. Teach wants opening and closing statements and topic sentence on a sample thesis on Family. I don’t even know where to begin with that one! Family??? :eek:

A girl

[Spiritus_Mundi]

Well, generally families negin when a man and a woman are strongly attracted to each other and . . .

BTW – as perhaps the primary practitioner of careless typos on this board I say, ease up on Manda JO. Thoughts expressed extemporaneously are not necessarily inferior. In fact, the typographical glitches in her post actually form a nice reinforcing metaphor for her point. Yeah – that’s the ticket.

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The best lack all conviction
The worst are full of passionate intensity.
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[Liberal]

I consider Spiritus to be an intellectual giant.

[Drain_Bead]

Family, eh?

Well, that’s pretty broad.

Some people say that Prop 22, recently passed in California, was good because gay marriages undermine the traditional definition of marriage and family. Some say that it’s good, because it creates families, and that’s important. Which is it, and why? If you can come up with an opinion that you could support, that’s your thesis.

How about infertility? Have you known anyone who desperately wanted to start a family, but couldn’t? How about anyone who was adopted? You can write a paper on all the non-traditional ways to make sure you have a family.

How about dysfunctionality? There’s a common trend in children and spouses of alcoholics. How about talkng about what alcohol abuse does to the rest of the family? Or perhaps you could discuss child or spousal abuse, and talk about what the system can or cannot do for victims.

There’s a lot you can do–hopefully these ideas will get you started.

[Spiritus_Mundi]

pretty broad

Drain is right. This is how a lot of families start.

[The_Ryan]

Spiritus Mundi said:

3. I made it quite clear on the original thread that I was posting my opinion in the PIT. That seemed appropriate, since the thoughts I wished to express certainly were critical of a specific poster.

The closest to “quite clear” that I can find is

I find myself being drug inexorably toward the PIT.

Is this “quite clear”? And why didn’t you actually include a link to the thread?

[Johnny_Angel]

ReservoirDog wrote:

Would you take advice on writing from this person?

Writing, yes. Spelling, no.

I, personally, would have been mortified to have made such mistakes in a post about how to rite good; but she had a good point, and one that needed to be said. I didn’t see anyone else giving such solid and constructive advice.

[Sandycane]

A girl, you sound cool! Are there anymore students on this board? You are the first one I’ve met. Glad you changed your mind about cheating, I tried it, it didn’t help. Nice to meet you, Sandy

[Spiritus_Mundi]

What part of “drug inexorably toward the PIT” do you find unclear, The Ryan?

I did not include a link because I had not yet created the thread. Did the tense of my statement escape you?

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The best lack all conviction
The worst are full of passionate intensity.
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[Lexicon]

Spritus, about easing up on Manda JO,
I put a in there to indicate that I was just ribbin’ her. It was obviously a typo, and one that seemed to fit, ironically.
Just thought you should know, as it seems like no one else said anything.

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“Winners never quit and quitters never win, but those who never win and never quit are idiots.”

[Spiritus_Mundi]

Actually, Reservoirdog made a comment, too. But my “ease up” post was meant to be taken lightheartedly, too. Thus the John Lovitz take at the end. I make typos all the time. I compose off the cuff in the reply winow and I rarely take the time to proofread. I also am notorious for transposing characters when I type (keyboard dyslexia?). I post that way because it seems appropriate to the function which these boards play in my life. I also realize that there are others who use (or at least claim) far more deliberation in their postings. Therefore, I open myself up to lots of cheap jokes about my typing.

S’okay, I promise not to let you see me cry.
sniff

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The best lack all conviction
The worst are full of passionate intensity.
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