Global Warming. Why no discussion on the upside?

We are bombarded daily with stories about the perils of global warming. And I’m not here to down play them, but why doesn’t anyone promote the positive effects global warming would have? I mean if its going to happen, lets start thinking of ways to make the best of it.

A few positive effects I can think of are:

Longer growing seasons=More food=less starvation

Warmer winters=less coal and oil burned=less pollution and more money in peoples’ pockets

Warmer winters=fewer people die from the cold

Anybody else?

And the factual question is?

There will be positive effects of climate change, the trouble is that they will be utterly swamped by the negative effects. That’s why nobody discusses them. It’s like talking about the positive effects of Katrina. Sure it helped the spawning of various frog species and added a lot of fertile silt to farmland, but that is more than outweighed by the negative effects.

Yes, there will be longer growing seasons in some regions. Unfortunately the wholesale relocation of agricultural systems and technologies will be costly for the developed world and simply impossible for the developing world. It will be costly for example for an Ohio farmer to switch from corn to sugar cane as temperatures increase and rainfall patterns alter. It will be simply impossible for a Congolese farmer to switch from sugar cane to wheat in response to the same factors. As a result the net food production will decline for many years before it gets better.

Warmer winters will mean less coal burned. Unfortunately warmer summers will mean more air conditioning required. And the developing world is largely tropical and warm temperate, which means that the significant factors are swinging against us. More importantly climate change does not mean warmer winters. Majority opinion ATM seems to be that mid to high level temperature rises will lead to a colder and longer winters in Europe and North America. As oceanic currents flip into alternative stable states and changes in wind direction push ice further offshore.

Warmer winters would mean fewer people dying of cold, unfortunately it seems like climate change will lead to colder winters for much of the world. More importantly the saving on the number of people killed from cold will be peanuts compared to the number of people killed from drought, starvation, flooding and other factors due to changes in climate. Once again this is like pointing to the 100 deaths from gastrointestinal infections prevented because Katrina brought clean water to the Carribean islands. It’s a nor really a valid point to make, but it’s rather pointless in light of the overall catastrophe.

While we’re at it, why don’t more people discuss the upsides of other things, such as holes in the ozone layer, or radioactive waste? :dubious:

Of course, there is an upside to everything, but that doesn’t mean we should use more CFCs or create more waste.

For my geography course this past semester, I had to read a report from the IPCC, which taught me a couple of things. There are some common misconceptions about ‘global warming’. Global warming does not mean that everyplace on earth gets a couple of degress more balmy. It means the globe on average gets a bit warmer, with potential wild swings in some places, and even local cooling in some areas.

Longer growing seasons may occur in some places. In many other places, though, there’s just barely enough rain, or things are just borderline too hot already, and warming could make these marginal agricultural areas inarable. The IPCC expectation is that most likely global agricultural yield won’t change much, but there will be significant regional variability. Certain parts of the interior plains of North America, and much of sub-Saharan Africa, are at risk from the changing patterns of precipitation.

Changes in temperature and precipitation affect what types of crops can be raised, how pastureland responds to grazing, and whether irrigation is necessary. Hotter means more water and energy need to be used for irrigation.

Changes in temperature and in the temperature-driven ocean currents affect the distribution and size of fish populations: the oceans are a major source of food for an important fraction of the world’s population.

The Inuit people of Canada’s arctic still, to this day, get a big fraction of their diet from the spoils of hunting: hunting for seals, fish, and other animals on the sea ice. The extent and duration of sea ice has already shrunk; even today we’re starting to hear news stories of experienced hunters falling through the ice. Ice that their experience with local geogrpahy told them would be thick enough.

Warmer summers == more energy used to run air conditioners and refrigerators.

Warmer summers == more people die from heat stroke.

In the last couple of years we’ve seen major events in European cities of large numbers of urban elderly people dropping dead from unusual heat waves. If the frequency or intensity of these heat events increases, expect this to happen more often.

Further, the effects of a global warming are sometimes (in IPCC terms) “non-linear”, meaning things don’t just change slightly in a predictable direction. One scenario is of warming causing major melt in eastern and arctic Canada which causes a large amount of snowmelt and receding of land glaciers and sea ice. This large introduction of fresh water into the Hudson Bay and Arctic Ocean makes its way into the Labrador Sea, where it eventually collides with the Gulf Stream; the temperature and salinity differences, it is hypothesized, could tend to deflect the Gulf Stream southward. If this happens, it would no longer be bringing its huge conveyor of heat up to northern Europe, and France, Britain, and Norway would get a lot colder.

And is a little warming good for everyone? What of the Innu and Inuit? Already the permafrost is melting in many places; the coastal town of Tuktoyaktuk, built on permafrost, is subsiding. Buildings collapse, the coast erodes. When the permafrost melts, the half-decomposed organic matter of which it is made can finish decomposing: when it does so, it releases large amounts of the potent greenhouse gases methane and carbon dioxide. The hunting isn’t as good in some places, so communities are now flying in more food from the south. With the change in diet, the ministry of health seems to be finding an increase in diabetes and tooth decay among Inuit.
And what of the political consequences? What of those places where people already fight over water? Will there be more wars between Israel and Syria over the Golan Heights? What if someone decides the waters of the Danube or the Nile must be diverted to meet the needs of increasingly arid agricultrual regions? What if the Americans pull huge quantities of water out of the Great Lakes to serve their big eastern cities or their mid-west agricultural areas? What will that mean for the freshwater fishery that feeds the economy and the mouths of Northeastern Ontario?

Canada’s big worry is of reduced sea ice. In the feared worst-case, the Inuit either abandon their way of life or starve, the delicate Arctic ecosystem is thrown off-kilter, and the usualy ice-locked Arctic Archipelago becomes navigable to ships as a shortcut between Europe and Asia. Ships that bring their cargoes of oil to be spilt in accidents, their filthy bilge water to be dumped in the nutrient-poor arctic waters.
Compared to all that, a little bit of a longer growing season and a marginally milder winter in a few places is simply not worth it.
The report I mentioned at the top was the Third Assessment Report (“Synthesis”).
A cite for Tuktoyaktuk is here.

You ask, we deliver: Yet Another Modest Proposal.

Stranger

Tell your uncle in Georgia to drive his tractor to Alberta, shut up and be happy.

[QUOTE=Mangosteen]
I mean if its going to happen, lets start thinking of ways to make the best of it.
Hate to be morbid, but the fact is that humans, and most other animal species on this planet today have only been here for just a page in the history book of the world. We can fight it, and try to continue to save all the dying plant and animal species (and Im not saying thats a bad thing…I have children, and I want them to see tigers as well), …but on the scale of global history, its a lost cause, and we and most every living thing around us will eventually cease to exist, killed off by some bacteria/virus, meteor or other form of disaster. 50,000 years from now, the earth will still be here, as blue and beautiful as ever, but it will have new species of creatures, and new plants occupying the land…Global warming will pale in comparison to what’s around the corner. The earth is strong…we heat it up, eventually it will cool down…but in the short term(1,000 years or so)…ya, put on some sunblock, go to the beach and enjoy the warmer days.

[QUOTE=sharkattack]

For a nice big picture view of that philosophy, I suggest breaking out your old dusty copy of Jurassic Park (the book) and reading Malcom’s deathbed ramblings near the end. He says much the same thing, plus it’s an excuse to re-read Jurassic Park.

In modern times, starvation has never been a matter of inadequate food but of inefficient distribution. The countries most likely to benefit from shorter winters (Canada, the U.S., the Scandinavian nations, Russia) are already heavily industrialized and suffer no shortage of food. The nations that routinely suffer famines are mostly in Africa and southern Asia, tropical regions, and longer hotter summers could easily cause deserts to spread and make agricultural production more difficult. Since it could make the third world nations even more dependent on food imports (which will be routinely stolen or misappropriated by their corrupt governments), I don’t see the benefit.
That said, I’d personally be okay with Montreal winters being five to ten degrees warmer. Our summers are hot enough already, though.

Actually, about 10 years ago, I did hear a pretty intelligent discussion about the possible benefits of global warming. One interesting point that was made was that what we consider to be “normal” is not at all normal for the earth. For most of its history, the earth was a lot warmer place than it is now. Compared to the historical average, the earth is kinda cold and harsh right now.

Here’s an interesting graph I found:
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/PageMill_Images/image277.gif

Another point that was made was that, global warming could go one of two ways. It could get hot and moist, which would be really good, or it could get hot and dry, which would be really bad. Hot and moist would mean that most of the areas we live in could become a lush tropical paradise. Hot and dry would mean that most of the areas we live in could become desert.

What you really want is for things to go back to the way they were for much of the cretaceous period. Not only were the temperatures a good 10 to 20 deg warmer (and nice and moist, too), but the temperatures were much more uniform over the surface of the earth than they are today, for reasons that scientists can’t quite explain. There’s a lot of mumbling about CO2 levels and ocean currents, but really, they don’t know. Of course, I’ve also read that towards the end of the cretaceous, the area around the equator actually got too hot to be habitable, but hey, you gotta take the good with the bad.

I think that the reason that there is little comment on the upside of global warming is because those that do ot see it as the end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it that some would have it to be, think that it is nothing more than a cyclical thing that will adjust itself. In other words, there ain’t no sich thing! Kind of like Kahoutek.

Warmer summers could also mean a breading ground for microorgasimns which could mean more disease and death.

But then again global warming could lead to global cooling by disrupting the gulf stream and other ocean currents which transport warm water to the north. Greater heat in the equator should produce more rain, which will block out (reflect back) sunlight and cool the earth.

We don’t know what would happen, we don’t know if it is good or bad, we don’t know which way this earth is going. We don’t even know why. Yes we have theories and assumptions, but we really don’t know.

I think the bottom line is that we really don’t know too much about either the negative or positive effects and there is a lot of speculation. Still it is hard to think anything positive about half the US population (those along all three coasts) living in areas that could conceivably underwater by 2100.

But here is as close as we are going to get to an answer. We are evolved, as biological, social, economic organisms, to the world as it is. Let the envioronment change significantly and we will no longer be as well adapted. We will eventually reach a new accomodation to the environment, but we will not like it while we are doing so. Just ask someone who has not returned to his home in New Orleans. They will eventually either somehow return to NO or find a new economic and social niche in Houston, or Chicago, or whatever, but it won’t be pleasant in the meantime. Depending on how much of an upheaval we experience, it could lead to the end of the political world as we know, perhaps a drastic decline in the world’s population (as everyone in Bangla Desh tries ocean living), who knows. But it is unlikely to be pleasant.