Protests can only ever be about what a company is doing right now. If, at the time of the diesel cheating scandal, these folks had glued themselves down, they would have been able to say “We’ll stay glued to your floor until you shift over to making electric vehicles”. But now that they are shifted over to making electric vehicles, “We’ll stay glued to your floor until…” what, exactly?
All I did was post a fact. If you don’t like that fact that’s on you. Volkswagen is currently doing the right thing. I can’t say the same for the protestors. They’re a waste of space.
I can’t fathom why they haven’t been arrested for trespassing and hauled away.
What kind of glue did they use?
I wouldn’t say that Dieselgate has nothing to do with what VW is doing now; instead their current massive push into EVs is basically in response to the earlier scandal.
if you are saying their plunge into into the EV realm was a mea culpa for dieselgate then that’s even less of en excuse to protest against them. They’ve seen the light.
And did anyone at VW think to invoke, “I’m rubber, you’re glue”?
Daily Mail 23Oct 2022
Eco morons are arrested after gluing themselves to floor of German Volkswagen factory…then pleading for medical treatment because their hands were sore and they couldn’t go to the toilet
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Gianluca Grimalda, who had declared he was on hunger strike, then began complaining his hand - which he had covered in superglue and stuck to the floor - was swollen and said medics warned him he was at risk of blood clots.
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After just a day of protest he agreed to leave for medical treatment and was arrested, before riot police moved in to round up the rest of the demonstrators.
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Gianluca Grimalda, who had vowed to remain until Volkswagen agreed to lobby for low-carbon transport, voluntarily left after 24 hours when his hand swelled up.
MORONS. I’d like to see the media name each person, their “scientist” pedigree, and where they work because people of science aren’t this stupid.
I don’t know about providing the protesters a bowl, it does seem like something the protesters should have covered.
VW says they support their right to protest, but they clearly don’t. They’re not obligated to support them, obviously, so why not shut up about it? Seems like VW wants to have it both ways.
I agree with @What_Exit on this point. 11 million cars over 6 years isn’t a rogue engineer, it’s a corporate policy. It’s nice that they are shipping 300-400k EVs a year now, but I don’t think diesegate is ancient history.
I strongly disagree. This is about moral convictions, not science. Anyway scientists as a group, no matter how bright they may be at sciencing, can be just as morally and ethically cowardly as the next guy, if not more so. Second, desperate times demand desperate measures, and if you don’t believe these are desperate times, you are a far bigger fool than any of the protesters could ever be, no matter how science you are.
Support for the right to protest ends when they occupy property and refuse to leave. That’s illegal behavior. Certainly you understand this not so subtle distinction?
Volkswagon has committed to EV production. That’s science in action and moral to boot. I would say this is easily the fastest technology change in automotive history.
This commitment is ignored by the demand of the “scientists” that Volkswagen lobby for low carbon transport. There’s already a WORLDWIDE push to de-carbonize the planet.
MORONS.
It’s VW’s property. Support for the right to protest can take any form they want. As I said, VW is not obligated to leave the lights on or anything else, but then VW shouldn’t say they support their right to protest.
I’m not sure what VW means when they say support their right to protest. Maybe they just support the right to picket outside, but don’t do it inside? Big deal, any reasonable party supports that right.
Beyond that it’s speculation on my part. I don’t know what VW means, when they said it, or what the context is.
Yes, that’s correct.
Duh.
So your view is, apparently, property rights trump other rights. It’s a common enough view, but I’ll stick with Proudhon, “property is theft”
You’ve got that ass backwards. Other rights don’t override property rights. And the proof is the fact that they were arrested and removed.
That you don’t understand this is mind numbing.
Yeah. VW has proven itself to be a lying liar of a corporation. I don’t trust anything they say.
If they are actually selling a decent quantity of useful EVs, good on them. That’s something they are doing, not saying. But “we support their right to protest” is just words, and seems to also be lies.
If I understand your position correctly you approve of protest. Fine and dandy. Do you support people occupying your property for protest because of (pick an infinite number reasons)?
Volkswagen’s approval of people protesting is not an open ended statement. It doesn’t mean they can take over and occupy their property. That’s against the law.
There’s also a worldwide push to drill, pump, and burn every ounce of fossil fuel that can be sold, as well as a worldwide push to greenwash fossil fuel burning and its profits. All these things are happening, right now. You do not seem to be aware of what drives the de-carbonizing efforts that are taking place. Protests, lobbying, marches, lobbying, protests, and marching. Not fossil fuel companies and their adjuncts. They are the caboose, not the engine.
No, That’s patently wrong. There’s not a “push” to drill every ounce of fossil fuel. There is, however, the NEED to survive the transition to a fossil free world. And that need includes a need to shift where the fossil fuels are purchased from. Giving money to Russia, Iran, and Saudi Arabia is not in the free world’s best interest. By producing the oil we need at home we create taxes and wealth that accelerates the transition to EV’s.