Go to hell Liverpool FC and take your crybaby "fans" with you

[MichaelQReilly]

See here for some background on this issue.

So basically we here in the United States have one daily radio show about soccer called World Soccer Daily. One of the co-hosts, Steven Cohen, made some comments about Hillsborough that weren’t particularly well though out, so some Liverpool supporters (with the backing of the club) started a campaign to get the show off the air, which has now succeeded.

Now I was only a kid when Hillsborough and some of the other issues of the 80’s occured, and I only got into European soccer in the early 90’s when I started traveling to England with my dad for his job; so I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on the subject. But what I do know is that a quick googling reveals plenty of reports (and videos) of Liverool fans, who are so quick to cry over Hillsborough, singing and chanting about the Munich Air Disaster.

So for that I say a hearty fuck you to all the hypocrite Liverpool fans who got the only daily soccer show in the U.S. cancelled because you can’t take what some of your fellow supports gleefully dish out. Thanks to your hypocritical whining I can no longer hear a show that regularly had guests like Tim Vickery, Robbie Earle, Grant Wahl, Andy Brassell, Sean Wheelock, Graham Hunter, Misha Sher, and Phil Ball. You stupid fucking hypocrites need to go look up the definition of Phyrric Victory. I never really cared much one way about Liverpool, but now that your crybaby nonsense has affected my life I really can’t wait until your incompetent owners send the club into administration and you go join Leeds down in the third division.

[casdave]

Anti-semitism? not a bit of it, that article is so distorted as to make Cheney seem like a saintly truthteller.

The story of the Hillsborough disaster is that no blame, none whatsoever attaches to the fans, despite the police releasing misinformation that appeared to place the responsiblity on drunkeness, and how the low brow press lapped it up and spread the lies far and wide.Those newspapers that printed those misleading and outright lies about Liverpool fans cannot be readily found uin Liverpool newsagents, no one will buy them, they are boycotted.

As a mainstream media reporter, Mr Cohen would have been well aware of the issues, some files were recently released under the 30 year rule and they tend to support the story of police incompetance - though not conclusive, and the inquiry into this incident did show that there had been serious lapses in stadium design, crowd control, and police action/inaction.

There is evidence to support the view that the problems were in fact becoming evident and the crowd crush was too great but the police still continued to direct supporters into the affected areas making the situation - already dangerous, into disastrous.

Mr Cohen would have been aware of this, he would also have been well aware, being a media insider, of how the story was managed and manipulated to try absolve police of any blame.

Unsurprisingly, Liverpool fans called him out on it.

Even today, so many years after the Hillsborough incident, some documents have not been released to public scrutiny, things such as exact times of death mysteriously channged so as to prove that things happened too fast and nothing at all could have been done to save the dead and dying.

Given that the truth has not been told about the police incompetance during the Hillsborough tragedy, and it is unlikely to be properly told for some time yet, it is hardly surprising that these Liverpool fans get pretty pissed off with a media insider who tries to perpetuate those lies.

I suggest you do a few google searches and instead of swallowing the bile of one miserable little peddlar of lies, a person who was not there at the time and a person who obviously did not read the inquiry findings of Lord Taylor who unequivically cleared Liverpool fans for any blame whatsoeve.You need to read a point by point refutation of his comments, then you can understand why so many soccer fans think he is a twat.

http://www.epltalk.com/steven-cohen-blames-liverpool-fans-for-hillsborough-disaster/5915

This asshole, who is a Chelsea fan (Chelsea have actually publicly disowned him and his views) thought he could be a soccer ‘shock jock’ but what he forgot is this, there are many fans around the world, not just supporters of Liverpool, who saw what happened that day, and they are the ones who his program sponsors were trying to reach - they can’t afford to offend literally hundreds of millions of fans worldwide. He forgot one basic rule, don’t shit in your dinner plate.

If he does believe his views, which are complete tosh, then he has to take responsibilty for broadcasting them, sometimes it is better to keep lies inside your own head.

For your information, I am not a Liverpool fan, never liked them, I am for my pains, a Leeds United fan - you dont choose your team its your birthright, and it chooses you.

[MichaelQReilly]

@casdave

Anti-semitism? not a bit of it, that article is so distorted as to make Cheney seem like a saintly truthteller.

The story of the Hillsborough disaster is that no blame, none whatsoever attaches to the fans, despite the police releasing misinformation that appeared to place the responsiblity on drunkeness, and how the low brow press lapped it up and spread the lies far and wide.Those newspapers that printed those misleading and outright lies about Liverpool fans cannot be readily found uin Liverpool newsagents, no one will buy them, they are boycotted.

As a mainstream media reporter, Mr Cohen would have been well aware of the issues, some files were recently released under the 30 year rule and they tend to support the story of police incompetance - though not conclusive, and the inquiry into this incident did show that there had been serious lapses in stadium design, crowd control, and police action/inaction.

There is evidence to support the view that the problems were in fact becoming evident and the crowd crush was too great but the police still continued to direct supporters into the affected areas making the situation - already dangerous, into disastrous.

Mr Cohen would have been aware of this, he would also have been well aware, being a media insider, of how the story was managed and manipulated to try absolve police of any blame.

Unsurprisingly, Liverpool fans called him out on it.

Even today, so many years after the Hillsborough incident, some documents have not been released to public scrutiny, things such as exact times of death mysteriously channged so as to prove that things happened too fast and nothing at all could have been done to save the dead and dying.

Given that the truth has not been told about the police incompetance during the Hillsborough tragedy, and it is unlikely to be properly told for some time yet, it is hardly surprising that these Liverpool fans get pretty pissed off with a media insider who tries to perpetuate those lies.

I suggest you do a few google searches and instead of swallowing the bile of one miserable little peddlar of lies, a person who was not there at the time and a person who obviously did not read the inquiry findings of Lord Taylor who unequivically cleared Liverpool fans for any blame whatsoeve.You need to read a point by point refutation of his comments, then you can understand why so many soccer fans think he is a twat.

http://www.epltalk.com/steven-cohen-blames-liverpool-fans-for-hillsborough-disaster/5915

This asshole, who is a Chelsea fan (Chelsea have actually publicly disowned him and his views) thought he could be a soccer ‘shock jock’ but what he forgot is this, there are many fans around the world, not just supporters of Liverpool, who saw what happened that day, and they are the ones who his program sponsors were trying to reach - they can’t afford to offend literally hundreds of millions of fans worldwide. He forgot one basic rule, don’t shit in your dinner plate.

If he does believe his views, which are complete tosh, then he has to take responsibilty for broadcasting them, sometimes it is better to keep lies inside your own head.

For your information, I am not a Liverpool fan, never liked them, I am for my pains, a Leeds United fan - you dont choose your team its your birthright, and it chooses you.

Bah, I’ve freely acknowledge that Cohen’s comments weren’t sensible. In fact, Cohen himself apologized multiple times. I’m not swallowing anyone’s lies (in fact, I could really care less about an event that happened when I was 3 years old, and to be honest, I think that Steven can be a real twat sometimes). What I care about is the fact that Liverpool supporters can get so worked up over Hillsborough (while at the same time conveiniently ignoring their own fans who chant about Munich) to the point that they’ve driven a show that me and many others enjoy off the air. If Liverpool fans don’t like Cohen they are free to not listen. However, they went much further than that and orchestrated a campaign to get the show off the air. Now, all becasue of a few hypocritical crybabes, me and many others have No daily football show to listen to at all.

[happycamper_5]

@MichaelQReilly

See here for some background on this issue.

So basically we here in the United States have one daily radio show about soccer called World Soccer Daily. One of the co-hosts, Steven Cohen, made some comments about Hillsborough that weren’t particularly well though out, so some Liverpool supporters (with the backing of the club) started a campaign to get the show off the air, which has now succeeded.

Now I was only a kid when Hillsborough and some of the other issues of the 80’s occured, and I only got into European soccer in the early 90’s when I started traveling to England with my dad for his job; so I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on the subject. But what I do know is that a quick googling reveals plenty of reports (and videos) of Liverool fans, who are so quick to cry over Hillsborough, singing and chanting about the Munich Air Disaster.

So for that I say a hearty fuck you to all the hypocrite Liverpool fans who got the only daily soccer show in the U.S. cancelled because you can’t take what some of your fellow supports gleefully dish out. Thanks to your hypocritical whining I can no longer hear a show that regularly had guests like Tim Vickery, Robbie Earle, Grant Wahl, Andy Brassell, Sean Wheelock, Graham Hunter, Misha Sher, and Phil Ball. You stupid fucking hypocrites need to go look up the definition of Phyrric Victory. I never really cared much one way about Liverpool, but now that your crybaby nonsense has affected my life I really can’t wait until your incompetent owners send the club into administration and you go join Leeds down in the third division.

Or, you could go here and read about the actual boycott and the reasons behind it.

As one of the “stupid fucking hypocrites” who participated in the boycott, I’m completely amazed at the number of people who seem to think that defaming the dead is just fine as long as they get their daily fix of what they apparently feel is God’s gift to soccer in the U.S. Yes, fuck the 96 people who died at Hillsborough, fuck the ones who survived that day only to live the rest of their lives horribly scarred, fuck the people who took their own lives because they couldn’t bear to live with the memories of what happened, fuck the families who lost their loved ones and then had to deal with the press telling them their brothers, sisters, sons and daughters probably deserved what happened to them. Fuck 'em all because I can’t listen to a radio show! :dubious:

Don’t forget the big “fuck you” to Chelsea FC for rejecting Cohen as a supporter due to his remarks. Also, you should probably give a “fuck you” to Tim Vickery for his statements against Cohen. I’m sure such a brilliant radio program could have been saved if it hadn’t been for their thoughtless participation.

Oh, and if the actions of a few moronic supporters are indicative of all Liverpool fans, what do the actions of Cohen’s fans say about his audience? :rolleyes:

The point of my rambling (which also doubles as my first post on the board) is that this issue is very complex and certainly can’t be understood by a bit of “quick googling.”

[MichaelQReilly]

@RomanMachine

Or, you could go here and read about the actual boycott and the reasons behind it.

The reasons are that you don’t like what he said about what happened and generally has it out for Liverpool fans (which I’ll agree was a bit over the top).

As one of the “stupid fucking hypocrites” who participated in the boycott, I’m completely amazed at the number of people who seem to think that defaming the dead is just fine as long as they get their daily fix of what they apparently feel is God’s gift to soccer in the U.S.

Am I to assume then that you were also registering your outrage with SOS over the above posted video? After all that seems equally disrespectful to innocent dead people.

Yes, fuck the 96 people who died at Hillsborough, fuck the ones who survived that day only to live the rest of their lives horribly scarred, fuck the people who took their own lives because they couldn’t bear to live with the memories of what happened, fuck the families who lost their loved ones and then had to deal with the press telling them their brothers, sisters, sons and daughters probably deserved what happened to them. Fuck 'em all because I can’t listen to a radio show! :dubious:

Right, because I said these people deserve what happened to them. :rolleyes:

Don’t forget the big “fuck you” to Chelsea FC for rejecting Cohen as a supporter due to his remarks. Also, you should probably give a “fuck you” to Tim Vickery for his statements against Cohen. I’m sure such a brilliant radio program could have been saved if it hadn’t been for their thoughtless participation.

Because repudiating someone’s statements is the same thing as participating in an organized campaign to get a show of the air. :rolleyes:

The point of my rambling (which also doubles as my first post on the board) is that this issue is very complex and certainly can’t be understood by a bit of “quick googling.”

No it really is. It’s all fine and dandy if you don’t like Cohen. Don’t listen to the show. But it was more than that. Even after Cohen apologized twice it kept going. At that point is was all about destroying the show because you didn’t like the guy and fuck everyone else who doesn’t care all that much about the issue because your feelings are hurt.

[happycamper_5]

@MichaelQReilly

Am I to assume then that you were also registering your outrage with SOS over the above posted video? After all that seems equally disrespectful to innocent dead people.

As a matter of fact, I have publically denounced people who sing Munich songs. I also have never sang one and have no intention of ever singing one. I don’t know if I’ve “registered my outrage” in a manner that would satisfy your criteria, but I’ve told them to shut the fuck up because they were a fucking disgrace to the club and themselves. The majority of Liverpool supporters have publically denounced them in much the same manner and you might know that, if you knew anything about the subject of which you rant.

Right, because I said these people deserve what happened to them. :rolleyes:

Where did I say you said that? If you followed the link, you’d see that it was not a picture of you, but of The S*n newspaper from April '89. The point I was making is that those are the Liverpool fans you’re hoping to see in Hell. If you’d had an idea of what some of them have been though, you might understand why the topic of Hillsborough is a little sensitive to them.

Because repudiating someone’s statements is the same thing as participating in an organized campaign to get a show of the air. :rolleyes:

No, you’re right. It’s not the same thing. However, it did give fuel to our fire and they could have easily come out in support of Cohen. They didn’t. You might want to think about why that is.

No it really is. It’s all fine and dandy if you don’t like Cohen. Don’t listen to the show. But it was more than that. Even after Cohen apologized twice it kept going. At that point is was all about destroying the show because you didn’t like the guy and fuck everyone else who doesn’t care all that much about the issue because your feelings are hurt.

No, it really isn’t and you’d know that if you bothered to read any of the links I provided. You obviously didn’t do that. Moving on…

Which apology are you referring to? Do you mean the apology in 2006 after he made his first comments about Hillsborough or the more recent one where he said the topic would never be discussed on his show again…and then proceeded to do just that? If someone apologizes for something and then later repeats the hurtful behavior, would you believe a second apology? Probably not. We didn’t. You know, fool me once and all that.

I wonder if this outrage would even exist if Cohen’s opinion had concerned a different tragedy. It doesn’t matter which one, just any event where innocent people lost their lives in a horrific manner. Say, the Ivory Coast stadium tragedy. If Cohen had been blaming those people for what happened, even after an investigation had shown they were not at fault, if he’d been making jokes on air and laughing about it, would that be ok? Would his fans be telling the people hurt by his comments ‘Don’t listen to the show if you don’t like him’? Or what if it was a stadium tragedy in the US? Would his comments still be fine if he were defaming, say, dead Patriots fans?

You’re right that I don’t give a fuck about your butthurt at not having a daily soccer show to listen to. I am sorry if the quality of your existence is lessened because WSD is gone. But, as someone who knows a little bit about the game, trust me - there are much better resources out there. You might have to do a bit more than tune your satellite radio to the same channel everyday to find them, but they are out there.

[casdave]

He apologised, and then repeated the same lies, that is not much of an apology, first time around his apology was accepted.

FOX news has a certain low brow reputation to maintain, and this idiot spent a good deal of time ensuring that reputation never rose above the gutter.

His lies repeat the lies that The Sun newspaper, and one or two others printed, he bring nothing new to any of the story, and brings old, already discredited reports back, on an anniversary of the original event.

The fact that you are still a babe in arms, and that you don’t really seem to care about history, that you accept the lying shit from a FOX news commentator says volumes about you.

You even acknowledge he was ‘a bit over the top’ when in fact he has systematically and continually repeated lies that have been long disproven by government enquiries.

The fans were not responsible in any way except for their being present, that’s all, they were there, and they died, that is the only fault on their part.

This shitbag was not there, has no real expertise about the conditions of crowd control, design of stadiums, never had any dealings with any witnesses and everything he does claim to konw is third hand lies - and you cut him some slack?

Ths shitbag knows what he is doing, he knew this would raise his profile, he thought that any publicity is good publicity, every time his ratings flag he brings out the same lies, pretends to apologise, and then repeats the same lies sometime later.

What stake does he actually have in this? none at all, he is far too young to remember the event, he has never lived anywhere near, he has had no involvement in any part of the inquiry, nor is he a recognised expert in any country that knows anything about soccer, in footbal terms he is a nobody, never played naywhere, never achieved anything, I’d be very surprised if he even knew that Liverpool is not in London.

A talentless arsehole trying to build up a reputation on slandering the blameless dead, that is all he is.

He has an opinion, its wrong, its cynical in its intent and rather like an arsehole everybody has one, its just that the rest of us don’t go seeking publicity about their own arseholes.

[MichaelQReilly]

RomanMachine and casdave We obviously aren’t going to see eye to eye on this issue. I’ve freely admitted to not understanding the issue in depth (other than being aware that Liverpool fans weren’t at fault) because I was too young. I did read your links RomanMachine, the way I read your response was me saying “Fuck you” to the people who died, sorry for the miscommunication. I think the reason for my outrage is mostly due to the fact that Cohen’s Liverpool diatribes actually make up a very small part of what is otherwise a very good show and that I’m frustrated at losing that resource. That frustration is doubled in my mind because it seems that certain factions within Liverpool’s fandom are very good at dishing it out, but then cry so loudly when the abuse is directed at them. Surely you could see how a casual observer would get that impression.

BTW, Cohen’s raido show had nothing to do with Fox.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

Why the hell was he talking about Hillsborough anyway? It was 20 fucking years ago and the powers that be did a hundred things to make sure it wouldn’t happen again.

[PrettyVacant]

MichaelQReilly - your age is not an excuse, even when you mention it repeatedly. People who go to football matches in England remember well that day still.

It is factually wrong to denigrate LIverpool fans for the events of that day.

This issue is about decency and respect, not your listening habits.

[happycamper_5]

@MichaelQReilly

RomanMachine and casdave We obviously aren’t going to see eye to eye on this issue. I’ve freely admitted to not understanding the issue in depth (other than being aware that Liverpool fans weren’t at fault) because I was too young. I did read your links RomanMachine, the way I read your response was me saying “Fuck you” to the people who died, sorry for the miscommunication. I think the reason for my outrage is mostly due to the fact that Cohen’s Liverpool diatribes actually make up a very small part of what is otherwise a very good show and that I’m frustrated at losing that resource. That frustration is doubled in my mind because it seems that certain factions within Liverpool’s fandom are very good at dishing it out, but then cry so loudly when the abuse is directed at them. Surely you could see how a casual observer would get that impression.

BTW, Cohen’s raido show had nothing to do with Fox.

Fair enough, MichaelQReilly. Yes, I can see how a casual observer could have an unfavorable impression of a club’s supporters based on the actions of a few. Can I ask you to do one thing, though? Keep in mind that every club has a faction like that. Yes, we have them, but the people who were behind the action against Cohen are not the morons who sing about Munich, just as the majority of Man United fans are not the ones who sing about Hillsborough or the majority of Chelsea fans are not the ones who sing anti-semitic songs. There’s a reason why the boycott had support from many non-Liverpool fans - most football supporters are decent people, no matter what club they follow.

Can’t agree with you about the quality of the show, though. I listened a few times and also watched Fox Football Fone-in (all before the boycott) and I found Cohen to be a big blowhard. To each their own, I guess.

[happycamper_5]

@Really_Not_All_That_Bright

Why the hell was he talking about Hillsborough anyway? It was 20 fucking years ago and the powers that be did a hundred things to make sure it wouldn’t happen again.

Good question. He could have just let the 20th anniversary go by with no mention at all. Why he decided then to start up with his “opinions” again is anyone’s guess.

[MichaelQReilly]

@RomanMachine

Can’t agree with you about the quality of the show, though. I listened a few times and also watched Fox Football Fone-in (all before the boycott) and I found Cohen to be a big blowhard. To each their own, I guess.

Cohen was kind of an idiot, but that was sort of what made the listen entertaining. He was the over the top emotional fan and the other guy (who is the one I really feel sorry for) was kind of the voice of reason. It was a lot like talking about the game with your friends, only Tim Vickery would drop in for 15 minutes.

[amanset]

The fact that both he and you don’t see too much in this story shows exactly how little you and Cohen know about football and football culture.

Go educate yourself. Maybe then you’ll understand instead of just looking like an idiot.

For the record, I’m a Coventry City fan that sat at home in front of BBC1’s Grandstand, as I did so often on a Saturday afternoon, to see them go live to Sheffield with dead bodies on the pitch, dying people carried using advertising hoardings as makeshift stretchers, ambulances on the pitch and people desperately trying to escape death. At a ground two years early where my beloved Coventry had won Quarter and Semi Finals in the FA Cup.

You just don’t understand and unfortunately I think you are too fucking stupid to ever understand.

[MichaelQReilly]

@amanset

The fact that both he and you don’t see too much in this story shows exactly how little you and Cohen know about football and football culture.

Go educate yourself. Maybe then you’ll understand instead of just looking like an idiot.

For the record, I’m a Coventry City fan that sat at home in front of BBC1’s Grandstand, as I did so often on a Saturday afternoon, to see them go live to Sheffield with dead bodies on the pitch, dying people carried using advertising hoardings as makeshift stretchers, ambulances on the pitch and people desperately trying to escape death. At a ground two years early where my beloved Coventry had won Quarter and Semi Finals in the FA Cup.

You just don’t understand and unfortunately I think you are too fucking stupid to ever understand.

You are a dumb cunt. Seriously. Where did I ever say this wasn’t a tragedy? I didn’t want a show that I enjoy to end just because one of the hosts expressed a foolish opinion. Clearly that makes me “too stupid to ever understand” football and football culture. Right…

[amanset]

@MichaelQReilly

You are a dumb cunt. Seriously. Where did I ever say this wasn’t a tragedy? I didn’t want a show that I enjoy to end just because one of the hosts expressed a foolish opinion. Clearly that makes me “too stupid to ever understand” football and football culture. Right…

Where did I say you didn’t?

Every time you say his remarks were merely “foolish” or “weren’t particularly well though out” you come across even more like a fucking idiot.

Tip: they weren’t merely foolish or not well thought out. They were malicious lies that he has been called out on before yet he insists on repeating. Trying using the language that this deserves and you may come across as less of a twat.

That you STILL don’t see this seriously does mean that when it comes to football and football culture you are a moron of the highest order.

[MichaelQReilly]

@amanset

Where did I say you didn’t?

Every time you say his remarks were merely “foolish” or “weren’t particularly well though out” you come across even more like a fucking idiot.

Tip: they weren’t merely foolish or not well thought out. They were malicious lies that he has been called out on before yet he insists on repeating. Trying using the language that this deserves and you may come across as less of a twat.

That you STILL don’t see this seriously does mean that when it comes to football and football culture you are a moron of the highest order.

Not really. See if you can understand this concept - I can listen to someone and not agree with everything that they say and still enjoy the show. Shocking, I know. It was pretty obvious to me that Cohen hated Liverpool and that his opinions wrt Hillsborough should be taken with a grain of salt and I took them thusly.

Honestly, there is a whole world of football. I’m well aware of the role that Hillsborough played in England in changing stadium safety and some unsavory aspects of supporter culture. Beyond that it really doesn’t factor into my fandom that much. This idea that you have that I’m a moron when it comes football and football culture because I don’t want to pour though the Taylor report speaks to a certain self-centeredness on your part. To be a “real fan” do I have to study that police shooting that occurred in Italy a couple years ago? How about the latest stadium stampede in Africa?

[happycamper_5]

@MichaelQReilly

Not really. See if you can understand this concept - I can listen to someone and not agree with everything that they say and still enjoy the show. Shocking, I know. It was pretty obvious to me that Cohen hated Liverpool and that his opinions wrt Hillsborough should be taken with a grain of salt and I took them thusly.

Honestly, there is a whole world of football. I’m well aware of the role that Hillsborough played in England in changing stadium safety and some unsavory aspects of supporter culture. Beyond that it really doesn’t factor into my fandom that much. This idea that you have that I’m a moron when it comes football and football culture because I don’t want to pour though the Taylor report speaks to a certain self-centeredness on your part. To be a “real fan” do I have to study that police shooting that occurred in Italy a couple years ago? How about the latest stadium stampede in Africa?

Wait a minute. “Unsavory aspects of supporter culture” weren’t changed by Hillsborough, because ‘supporter culture’ had nothing to do with it, despite what Cohen would like everyone to believe. This is what amanset is talking about. Cohen wasn’t simply expressing an opinion; he was spreading lies. This isn’t about proving yourself to be a “real fan.” (Although I will admit that I’m always :smack: when I see someone call football a “fandom.”) This isn’t about rivalry between clubs or Cohen’s inexplicable hate-on for everything associated with LFC. This is about simple human decency. You don’t have to pour over the Taylor Report to know that the investigation determined Liverpool supporters were not to blame for what happened. That doesn’t seem to stop people like Cohen from insisting they know otherwise. Can you understand why someone who was afffected by Hillsborough would not be able to simply turn the channel while their friends and family were being slandered, laughed at and joked about?

If this is the kind of football culture that Cohen was fostering in the US with his radio show, then I’m even happier to know he’s off the air.

[MichaelQReilly]

@RomanMachine

Wait a minute. “Unsavory aspects of supporter culture” weren’t changed by Hillsborough, because ‘supporter culture’ had nothing to do with it, despite what Cohen would like everyone to believe. This is what amanset is talking about. Cohen wasn’t simply expressing an opinion; he was spreading lies. This isn’t about proving yourself to be a “real fan.” (Although I will admit that I’m always :smack: when I see someone call football a “fandom.”) This isn’t about rivalry between clubs or Cohen’s inexplicable hate-on for everything associated with LFC. This is about simple human decency. You don’t have to pour over the Taylor Report to know that the investigation determined Liverpool supporters were not to blame for what happened. That doesn’t seem to stop people like Cohen from insisting they know otherwise. Can you understand why someone who was afffected by Hillsborough would not be able to simply turn the channel while their friends and family were being slandered, laughed at and joked about?

If this is the kind of football culture that Cohen was fostering in the US with his radio show, then I’m even happier to know he’s off the air.

Yeah, I can definitely understand where they are coming from. I didn’t really know about the whole smear campaign aspect, so that certainly puts things in a different light for me and I can see why those who lived through it would be less inclined to take what he said with a grain of salt.

As for the whole change the supporter culture thing. I know that Hillsborough didn’t have anything to do with unruly fans. But didn’t the post Hillsborough changes have the result of eliminating a lot of the violence at matches? That’s something I’d heard multiple friends say and that’s what I was referring to.

At any rate, my well intentioned pitting seems to have blown up in my face a little bit. :o I guess I’m just going to find a different podcast and move on. Any suggestions? I’ve tried soccernet and the Guardian ones, but they were kind of dry for my tastes.

[yojimbo]

How about pitting the stupid fuck who opened his trap to spout bile and got the show cancelled because of the shitstorm it created?

He’s the one who seems to be at fault IMO. He ruined it for you.

Aren’t there numerous websites you can listen to? Radio stations generally have a web presence and stream shows on the web.

Maybe some of our British friends can point you to some good new listening or podcasts.

I’ve little to no interest in football so can really help, sorry.