God and Mind

Please don’t get angry at me for this question. I have to ask because I am curious.

We can’t hear mind. We can’t see it. We can’t taste it. We can’t feel it by touching. We can’t smell it.

But we know mind exists.

So, can God exist in the same way that mind exist?

Mind is not a material. It is not a energy. But we know it exist. So why can’t god exist?

:dubious: Define ‘mind.’

Define ‘god’ while you’re at it.

I’m preemptively moving this to GD, believing it will do much better in that fora.

A good starting point would probably be that the difference between something with a mind and something without a mind is pretty obvious. God and lack of god are suspiciously similar and no one’s come up with metric of differentiation that meets objective standards acceptable by everyone.

Descartes did this better.

I’m pretty sure my mind exists. Cogito ergo sum and all that. Even then, I could be a delusion.

But the rest of you? Good luck convincing me with 100% probability any of your minds really exist.

I like playing with solipsism, hairy palms and all.

Good luck with this one. Some materialists may disagree with this proposition.

The biggest flaw I see in solipsism is the fact that ice cream has calories.

This is an over simplification, but think of the brain as a computer, and the mind as the program it is running.

Are we being hardware platform agnostic in this analogy?

Because those Mac people are a little more dogmatic than most, and the Linux folks are complete wack-jobs.

It’s not that a god can’t exist. It’s that gods don’t exist.

Because our senses are limited, and it’s locked up in the skull. With the right equipment we can see the mind - we don’t understand much of what we are seeing, but we do see it.

No. God is logically contradictory, physics breaking, completely lacking in evidence for it either being possible or existing, a myth created by primitives, and obvious wish fulfillment. The mind isn’t.

Yes it is; a mind is a living, functioning brain. It’s a complex lump of matter and energy, not magic.

and don’t get me started on teh OS2 folks still hanging around on the fringe.

I can very definitely sense “mind” indirectly – by communicating with one. I’m communicating with several minds right now. When or if some of them respond (“Gaw, yer fool of it!”) I will have interacted with human minds.

Sure, this doesn’t answer Cartesian doubt. Maybe all y’all are robots, or AIs, or demonic deceivers, or illusions cast by the shadow of mana. But that isn’t a particularly interesting way to look at it.

Solipsism should always be footnoted…and then we move on, discussing reality as if it existed.

But all of us are aware of our thoughts. I’m aware that I’m writing these words, thinking about what I’m going to say next. You are reading these words consciously, and thinking about what your response will be.

Furthermore, we are aware of our mind when we lose consciousness. Our when we pull ourselves out of a dream.

Or when we enter into altered states of consciousness, via drugs, alcohol, etc. Or when we enter into altered states of consciousness via strong emotional stimuli. Or when we develop mental illnesses. People who suffer from severe clinical depression have a very strong personal awareness of the mind.

Meanwhile…none of this pertains to God. Dead silence, at least for most of us. And those who have heard the voice of God never report God having said doodly-squat of any worth or meaning!

Or for that matter even the same thing from person to person. And of course there’s all the people who have religious experiences that don’t involve God for the simple reason that he’s not included in their religion. Only a subset of religions believe in a God, singular.

While we’re on the philosophical kick…

By way of George Berkeley:

What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind.

Well based on evidence so far I would agree, but hey we don’t know what we don’t know. :slight_smile:

We can see “thought” we just can’t explain it all yet.

But we can, through science and the use of fmri, “see” what people are looking at.

Cite:

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/science-scope/video-mind-reading-tech-reconstructs-moving-images-others-see/10507

And we are starting to learn what happens at the moment of death.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/08/130814-near-death-brain-life-after-death-bright-light/

So please don’t conflate the “unknown” (e.g. how does the mind work) with the unknowable (e.g. is there a god).

There is no evidence of a god or the super natural. But a lack of evidence does not prove non-existance.

We have plenty of evidence on how the mind may work, we just don’t fully know how to fully explain it at this point in time.

Damn you! Now I have to start interacting with people again…