An alternative phrasing is that they do have GC rights but the US admistration has looked at the definition of “war crime” and decided “yep, that’s us” and made a considered policy decision to deny persons the rights they are afforded by law.
Least that’s kinda what the Sup Ct said.
I’ve generally found Mr Moto] pretty decent.
Try googling: guantanamo “military necessity” geneva bush congress. All together. It should take you somewhere informative. Remember the **"**s
Who every day perpetuate a war crime and act in direct defiance of the law pronounced by the Supreme Court of the United States.
Beats me, but that’s the US for you.
There are innocent people in that camp who were trying to eek out whatever happyness they could in their shitty little war-torn corner of the world before we stuck them in a chain-link cell thousands of miles from their homes and families.
Camp X-Ray (and other prisons in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other places) represents a massive failure of this entire country to live up to its values, and I’m not going to retire the phrase “traditional American values” to dampen the dissonance.
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Again, the alternative; a massive expression of “traditional American values.”
Correct.
Damn dude, nice octo-post.
Let them out. Tell their own story, oh fearless servant of truth and faith.
You’re toying with powers you cannot possibly understand.
Dr Who’s on.
first? I didn’t know he played.
Played what?
You obviously have low standards.
Second base, I assume 
My two cents follow;
Durbin is a douchebag (that’s personal, Dickie boy). Aside from that, he’s wrong. Gitmo and Auschwitz (or any other Nazi death camp for that matter) are fucking MILES AND MILES apart. Such a chasm may you never be forced to cross. To compare one to the other is to make a mountain from a molehill on one end, and to minimize, and in fact make light of, the death and suffering of 9 million innocent people on the other. It’s offensive hyperbole (and yes, it IS TOO hyperbole) and inflammatory rhetoric that has absolutely no place coming from the mouth of a US senator. Fucking period. Just because the assholes in the media won’t print it if it’s not inflammatory doesn’t mean you have to sink to the level of that same media and come up with something that will be printed. All Dickie did was make himself look like a crackpot.
That said.
I disagree with how we’ve dealt with these so-called ‘enemy combatants’ I don’t believe that there is a reason to hold them. If they are TRULY enemies of the state and TRULY have designs on the murder and overthrow of the US government. Kill them as they would kill us and move on. If not, then bring them to a US federal prison, lock them down, and treat them as prisoners instead of using these weak kneed loopholes to create a whole class of incarceration.
Regarding the actual abuses;
I don’t think they WERE abuses. I think what went on at BOTH of those prisons were things that would have gone on anyway, only now, we’ve got people with cameras reporting everything they can get their hands on. War and the ancillary activities thereof (yes, even undeclared war) are an ugly business. Bad things happen to people, at the hands of other people, to further a cause. If I compare a prisoner at Gitmo tied to a floor, pooping himself, and forced to listen to rap music
to a Chinese relief worker or a British school teacher or a truck driver from Indiana, frankly, I’m not as appalled about the Gitmo prisoner.
When I think that even though the Gitmo prisoner is going through some tough times, he’s still alive.
[hijack] Frankly, IMO, we haven’t prosecuted this so-called ‘war’ properly from day one. We’ve gone into a place where religious fanaticism drives men to kill themselves for their faith, and we’ve treated them like they’re an organized military unit, as if they would honor the same battlefield rules that we force ourselves to adhere to. It’s clear that propaganda is an effective weapon in that region of the world, and I think we underused it before the attack. Shock and awe, indeed :rolleyes:. I don’t think we’re vicious enough, I don’t think we’re violent enough, and I don’t think these insurgents are afraid enough of us to stop blowing themselves up. (let them hate, so long as they fear? Precisely)
The campaign to win Iraqi hearts and minds can’t work effectively unless you can win their stomachs and their loyalty, which we have not done, and as long as we continue to pussy foot around that sandbox, it’ll be more of the same until we’ve decided that Iraq is too big a mess to clean up, and Halliburton decides there’s no more money to be made there, and we leave. [/hijack]
It’ll be a week in Puerto Vallerta!!
What Durbin might say to fix this… maybe:
A very generous statement, on his part. He is willling to accept that he was misunderstood, rather than misrepresented. In no wise does he deny the truth of what he said, nor should he. He might have worded it less generously, and still retained the essential facts:
“Sorry you’re so fucking stupid. It makes it tougher to talk to you.”
Has Frist done the right thing, and apologized for his innocent stupidity?
Sen. Frist knows, better than most of us, that there is more than one way to skin a cat.
frankly I think it helps a fuck of a lot more than an administration who continues to claim the abuses are the results of a few low level ‘bad apples’, while ignoring suggestions of systemic abuse condoned/allowed/approved by higher ups (up to and including the issue of having Gitmo in the first place w/o any oversite by either our own system of laws or international observers).
The fact that Gitmo continues to exist, is, IMHO, more of a reason for those fence sitters to continue to mistrust the US, not some Senator proclaiming “Hey, this shit is wrong” at the top of his lungs.
Oh BULLSHIT! He said what he said to grab headlines, no more, no less. He KNOWS that Gitmo is no Auschwitz, reportedly, he’s BEEN to Gitmo. He KNOWS better than to say that, but he did anyway, because it got him the press he was looking for. If I thought it would do any good, I’d challenge him to say what he said to the face of a Holocaust survivor on live TV, if his statements are as ‘true’ as everyone likes to believe they are. Misunderstood my ass. He was understood completely, and he was WRONG to make the comparisons. Period.