Nikki Haley did a good thing here.
And Jenny Horne made a terrific speech.
I sincerely hope that we can fill this thread with examples like these two because I’ve always felt that praise can be as valuable as criticism.
Colour me a cynical bastard but I’m not buying the theatrics and tearfilled outrage. The horse was out of the barn way before Horne shed her first crocodile tear on the podium.
I agree, Congrats!
And may I be the first to note the user name/thread title.
I suppose the next fight will be to get Mississippi to change its state flag.
Or Arkansas. For whatever reason that was always the one that annoyed me the most. I understand that it was adopted during a time of reconciliation and understanding and that times were different. But it just goes a little too far.
Better 150 years late than never.
Black president, gay marriage, beginning of the end of the drug war, slaver flags being taken down.
don’t be so sure. The Times article when the SC senate passed it said it faced serious opposition in the House. That opposition folded.
Apparently some US congressional Republicans introduced a bill to allow the Confederate flag at Arlington on something called Southern Memorial Day, but some of the growups in the party killed it.
Is 1923 really still a part of the Reconciliation phase? Because that’s when the Confederate star was added.
I repeat from before that the flag itself is not based on the Confederate flag. If it were, that star would have been unnecessary.
According to the experts presenting the last few years for the anniversary programs at Gettysburg – basically yeah. Before then was still part of Reconstruction or a slight gray area in-between and there wasn’t much of any kind of peace offerings being made by either side. By the turn of the century there was a national move not just to bury the wounds of the Civil War and Reconstruction but to almost do a form of plastic surgery on them.
It is supposed to have begun around 1910-1920 and was pushed heaviest after WW I when some came to realize we needed to be unified in case of further/future international wars - both military and economic. To finally put the war behind us and become again “one Nation”. If you look at the timing of the changes to the Arkansas Flag, it fits right in to that whole movement.
I believe it was the 1913 Reunion they cited as being managed by the press as much as the opening of the Spanish American War; a press event to serve the press’s intentions. Where even the most rabidly sectional newspaper or magazine stressed how the veterans treated and greeted each other as brothers. For a few that could indeed have been true. But from the letters and writings that survive from the biggest part of the enlisted soldiers still alive at that time, they pretty much hated each others guts and really didn’t mingle. By 1938 that had all changed; the same people who had written of their opponents in terrible terms had bought the party line and now it was terrific to see both sides visiting each other.
Look at histories of the war published before 1900 and ones published after 1920 and you can start to see what they mean. And especially if you look at the primary sources it looks very much like they could be right. Books that became popular across the country about the “heroic South and noble North”; you hit their footnotes and read the source material and the opposite seems to be the case. The one panel of experts trying to explain “Southern Pride” claimed it (this movement for reconciliation) continued well into the 50s (after all, how could “Yank and Reb” have fought so well together in the trenches of WW I or the sands of WW II if it wasn’t true?) and possibly beyond until after the 100th Anniversary. Read Bruce Catton again with that thought in the back of your brain and see what you think.
But anyway, I digress — that flag has always annoyed me and I’ll be glad if I live to see it gone from government buildings as well.
Good Doper handle/OP combo.