Good neighborhoods to Move To In Chicago?

Many blacks try to get out of black neighborhoods when they are economically able to do so. There are a log of places in Chicago, and here in LA, where if you are not black you would be well advised to not go. Blacks who live there are often victimized by their neighbors as well, but non blacks are nothing but a target. Hyde Park, surrounded on three sides by some of the worst black ghettos in the United States, and on one side by water, is a tiny, one square mile oasis in a vast area of crime, dilapidation, and degeneracy. It was fairly safe when I was growing up, years ago, but this is no longer the case.

The U of C has a real problem. They have sought to improve safety by creating buffer zones, purchasing property south of the Midway for example, but it has come to naught. I think the slide began when they built the McDonald’s on 53rd street. This brought in the blacks, and they have pretty much taken over 53rd street, as far as I could tell the last time I was there, making for a very frightening scene, especially at night.

What happened to my senior friend, a brutal and unwarranted beating that put her near death, was an unheard of phenomena when I was growing up there. Nobody I knew or heard of had so much as been purse snatched or strongarmed. Now it seems that the safety of the neighborhood has gone down. This happened right in her own doorway, on a quiet street, Kenwood just off of 55th street.

So, when Blacks stop viciously beating frail elderly women for less than $20, and threatening them to carry more money for the “next time”, maybe I will concede that black neighborhoods are good.

It’s not that they are black. It’s that the university and the immediate area are rich while the surrounding areas are poor. That’s bound to create resentment and problems.

Anyway, the reasons aren’t really pertinent to the thread’s topic.

Chicago neighborhood crime map.

Hyde Park is on the same crime level as Logan Square and Rogers Park, but it is surrounded by much higher crime neighborhoods. Personally, I really do like Hyde Park (I love university areas) and it’s one of the neighborhoods I’ve looked at moving to, but it’s not a neighborhood I would recommend for most newcomers. It’s kind of isolated in that once you get sick of the four or five bars in the neighborhood and several restaurants, you have to trek a bit to get anywhere else worth visiting. If you like being in the center of things, there are a lot better neighborhoods to choose up north (and I say this as a born, raised, and current South Sider.)

The only neighborhood that hasn’t been mentioned yet that I’d suggest looking at is Andersonville.

But that was always the case. In the past, Hyde Park was always a safe place to be at any hour of the day. No more. Besides, poverty doesn’t excuse crime. Of course now we have an urban popular culture that glamorizes violence and mistreatment of women, so all the gangstas feel like they can do as they please with impunity, and sadly they are right. The animals that attempted to murder my friend were never arrested.

And I wouldn’t classify Hyde Park as a rich neighborhood. There are some mansions on the north end of the area, sure, but there is also a lot of working class housing and student apartments. Most folks on a professor’s salary wouldn’t be considered rich by any means.

Another strike against Hyde Park is the sheer annoyance of it all. You shop at the “Co-Op” because God forbid you enrich a capitalist pig to buy your groceries. Out in front of the “Co-Op” are the ever present radicals, trying to get you to sign some damn fool petition to stick it to the man. They were there 40 years ago and they are there today. The only thing that ever changes is the counter-culture fashion they sport. The bulletin board in the mall is still covered with notices for the next meeting of the Lesbian Communists. Not to mention, the student body of the U of C has to have the homeliest women of any major university in the United States, so maybe it is a blessing they tend towards lesbianism… The whole place reeks of it’s own twisted left wing provincialism.

Add in to that, many of the things that used to be good, Morry’s Deli, Harold’s, Ribs 'N Bibs, have gone downhill. When I visited last, Harold’s had moved down the street and had been closed by the department of health. The time before, the food was terrible, they seem to be cooking the chicken in the same oil as the catfish, and the chicken had a fishy taste that even the Louisiana sauce couldn’t cover up. Morry’s jumped the shark when they moved down the street as well. Ribs 'N Bibs is now priced beyond reason for what you get. Tai Sam Yon is no more. Retail on 53rd now caters to the blacks.

I dropped out of Kenwood High School (which was a waste of time in itself, a joke of an academic institution) in my second year just to get the hell out of there. I moved to California, took the GED at 16, enrolled in Junior College, and never looked back.

In short, I never liked Hyde Park, and it is worse than ever now, with the few pleasures that it did offer having greatly diminished over the years.

I heard that Cicero is okay. Just saying,

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I knew that! I suspect my confusion was due to my buddy recently buying a condo a couple of blocks east of Fitz’s on Roosevelt - right across from the bread factory - and telling me it had an Oak Park address rather than Berwyn.

Stan, I was going to respond to your comments here, but I have lost the ability to be civil. You’ve been Pitted.

Actually, they’re not. The Co-op (the one on 55th and Lake Park) has been replaced by a Treasure Island (a Whole Foods-type store.) The one in Kimbark Plaza is gone, too, replaced by Hyde Park Produce. I’m in Hyde Park about three times a week and, honestly, I don’t see much radical leftism at all. Or any politics, for that matter.

So, after years of trying, the Co-Op management finally succeeded in running it into the ground. I see that the 47th street store (started against all good advice) was the nail in the coffin. Good riddance.

If you lived in Oak Park, you wouldn’t be living in Chicago.

I used to live in Ravenswood/Lincoln Square. (The line between the two always seemed fuzzy to me.) I loved it. Reasonable rent, lots of restaurants, good access to public transportation.

Out of curiosity, when exactly are you referring to when you say “in the past”?

When I grew up there in the 60’s and early 70’s.

[Moderator note]Stan Shmenge-Try to keep your comments about “The Blacks” in The BBQ Pit where they belong from now on.[/Moderator Note]