Good News For Illegal Immigration Apologists: more facts to ignore and rationalize

The BBQ Pit
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[QUOTE=GIGObuster]
As a cite of **magellian01 ** was already shown to have virtually no support, I’m not surprised many can not give **magellan01 ** and others any respect.

I would not be surprised to find more supported evidence elsewhere, but relying on crackpot and racist sites for points remains a really bad idea. It is worse when the problems with those sites were explained before.
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Do you not realize how hubristic this is. Because you and a few others like-minded (never mind some of them are frothing idiots) have deemed some organization as racist doesn’t make it so. Do you really not get that?

Out of curiosity, does the fact that the Southern Poverty Law Center doesn’t list either FAIR or CIS as hate groups give you pause? There are plenty of others you’d probably put in the same camp, VDare for instance, and over a hundred others. Many of which have a much lower profile than either of those two groups. I suggest to you that if you are quicker to play the race/hate card than SPLC, you might want to take a breath and reevaluate. Either that or call Jesse Jackson for a job.

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M’kay. Well, now that you’ve exposed your own proud bigotry and limited life experience, can you move on to an actual argument featuring something like facts or reason?

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[QUOTE=Liberal]
M’kay. Well, now that you’ve exposed your own proud bigotry and limited life experience, can you move on to an actual argument featuring something like facts or reason?
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Those are facts from my own personal experiences. Nothing bigoted or limited about them. Some don’t fall in that category, but I haven’t met one yet.

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Then what’s the point other than you don’t get out much?

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[QUOTE=magellan01]
Do you not realize how hubristic this is. Because you and a few others like-minded (never mind some of them are frothing idiots) have deemed some organization as racist doesn’t make it so. Do you really not get that?

Out of curiosity, does the fact that the Southern Poverty Law Center doesn’t list either FAIR or CIS as hate groups give you pause? There are plenty of others you’d probably put in the same camp, VDare for instance, and over a hundred others. Many of which have a much lower profile than either of those two groups. I suggest to you that if you are quicker to play the race/hate card than SPLC, you might want to take a breath and reevaluate. Either that or call Jesse Jackson for a job.
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:rolleyes:

Your game is really to play the “I will accuse all others of playing the race card”.

You did not bother to notice that the Southern poverty law center is not only mentioning the racist elements and connections in the anti-immigrant leadership, but the center also mentions that those organizations have no problem issuing crackpot ideas. The others that you will describe as frothing idiots do have one point, deep inside racism is really ignorance. I still see where they are coming from when time after time they see you using the same broken record sources as one important base for your ideas.

You are showing a peculiar idea that I have to have pause because the SPLC does not have FAIR or CIS as hate groups, that looks dumb because I still concentrate on the crackpot angle and so does the SPLC too.

[QUOTE=magellian01]
There are plenty of others you’d probably put in the same camp, VDare for instance, and over a hundred others.
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You are deluding yourself that you can use the SPLC against me, the truth is that you have demonstrated that you will laugh and willfully ignore what others point to you, the following quote comes from one of the SPLC cites I mentioned before:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=106

So CBEscapee was correct, it is not just the imagination of the ones pounding on you. I still don’t agree with the calling you a racist part, but I already caught you citing a crackpot idea (That there are good informed reasons or movements to deny Birthright citizenship) and **CBEscapee ** showed the mendacity of the CIS peddling an article that was really pulled out of their ass. Once you show you are willing to remain ignorant of that that then is the time one should not be surprised racism can be mentioned as a strong possibility, there is nothing quick on arriving to that conclusion, as for myself I’m still on the fence, but you still insist on assuming or putting words in my mouth and I’m begining to wonder why is that.

Sources are a big part in arriving to that conclusion, when I see sources on the left lying I dump them, like I did with Truth Out when they insisted there were more indictments coming soon in the Plame affair, only by coming clean and explaining how they were wrong in an editorial is that I then consider them valid, but still with a grain of salt. No such luck with CIS.

When I see you tap dancing around those crackpots and racists and defending them with cites from the CIS (yeah that will work, I will defend a lying article of CIS with a cite from them saying they are good! :rolleyes: ) and Wikipedia you will have to forgive me if I don’t help in the condemnation of others jumping on you, specially in the pit.

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[QUOTE=Bricker]
I apologize.

“Jus soli” refers to the practice of granting citizenship by right of birth
“Jus sanguinis” is the right of citizenship by blood – that, by being born to a citizen
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Yeah, Bricker, why can’t you say that in AMERICAN?

You Latin immigrant.

:wink:

Sailboat

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[QUOTE=GIGObuster]
Your game is really to play the “I will accuse all others of playing the race card”.
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They use it. I call them on it. And I’m the one playing games? Quite laughable. Extremely laughable.

[QUOTE=GIGObuster]
You are showing a peculiar idea that I have to have pause because the SPLC does not have FAIR or CIS as hate groups, that looks dumb because I still concentrate on the crackpot angle and so does the SPLC too.
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Nice little speech that avoids the issue. Let’s try this. Why do you think that SPLC lists over a hundred hate groups on the page I cited, including VDare and American Border Patrol, but not CIS or FAIR? I was quite surprised by that, since they are so quick to play the race/hate card. It seems that might have assessed that while they disagree with these groups that they have deemed them to NOT be racist.

[QUOTE=GIGObuster]
You are deluding yourself that you can use the SPLC against me, the truth is that you have demonstrated that you will laugh and willfully ignore what others point to you, the following quote comes from one of the SPLC cites I mentioned before:
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And this would make sense IF I had used VDARE anywhere in this thread. But I didn’t. Go ahead, check. So let’s just torch that strawman you erected. Now while I do not think that Brimelow is a racist, you did once point out some other writings by others on that site that resulted in me viewing the site with great skepticism, to the point of ignoring it. I’m sure there is perfectly sound information on that site, but what you pointed out I found too troubling. If they purge people like the author you once cited—which I hope they do—I’ll give them another look.

I suggest you read this thread over, this time with more care.

[QUOTE=GIGObuster]
So CBEscapee was correct, it is not just the imagination of the ones pounding on you. I still don’t agree with the calling you a racist part, but I already caught you citing a crackpot idea (That there are good informed reasons or movements to deny Birthright citizenship) and **CBEscapee ** showed the mendacity of the CIS peddling an article that was really pulled out of their ass.
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Oh, it’s a crackpot idea because you and that idiot think it is. Ha. maybe you need to look up the word “hubris”.

And what report from the other boy who cries racist are you referring to? (UB being the first.)

[QUOTE=GIGObuster]
Sources are a big part in arriving to that conclusion, when I see sources on the left lying I dump them, like I did with Truth Out when they insisted there were more indictments coming soon in the Plame affair, only by coming clean and explaining how they were wrong in an editorial is that I then consider them valid, but still with a grain of salt. No such luck with CIS.
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As I did with VDARE. Now if you can provide similar evidence, do it. If not, maybe you should come to the same assessment that your vaunted SPLC has: that the organizations are not hate/racist organizations.

As Liberal suggested, I have begun to look for more studies looking at illegals and crime. Cato was not helpful. Lots of commentary, but no research on the issue. When I find some I will share it. In the meantime, the research done by CIS and FAIR seems to be the best out there. You can not like it. You can ignore it. But if you want to discredit it, why not offer some studies of your own?

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[QUOTE=magellan01]

As I did with VDARE. Now if you can provide similar evidence, do it. If not, maybe you should come to the same assessment that your vaunted SPLC has: that the organizations are not hate/racist organizations.

As Liberal suggested, I have begun to look for more studies looking at illegals and crime. Cato was not helpful. Lots of commentary, but no research on the issue. When I find some I will share it. In the meantime, the research done by CIS and FAIR seems to be the best out there. You can not like it. You can ignore it. But if you want to discredit it, why not offer some studies of your own?
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:rolleyes:

To repeat, the SPLC does point at them in the articles I cited as not to be reliable or they are only repeating debunked information, the racism is sometimes a part of the criticism. Being ignorant is not the same as being hateful so there is no problem for me (I still concentrate in the crackpot angle) when the SPLC does not put them in their hate column, by the latest cites I can say I don’t think it was flattery what the SPLC has in mind when they did mention CIS, FAIR or Vdare.

As for ignoring, I see you are being cute by pretending or assuming all the readers of this thread will ignore that the CIS article you posted early was bogus as Bridget Burke pointed out in post 187.