And you are once again putting words in my mouth, I already said before there was little done in enforcement, but CIS shows their true colors with comments like that. Amnesty did work for many.
Your tricks are really, if not racist, crackpots are not looked with sympathy here either, the last cite is titled “broken record” for a reason.
What you think those words show is in your head. It’s clearly a commentary on the reason the program was suggested and implemented. It is not a commentary on your worth in the world. Lighten up. Seriously.
Yes, that was my point. Did you notice that Scylla called you on this same tactic of attacking the source minutes after I did. Does that tell you something?
:smack: Yikes! Coding help on Aisle 161, please, both of those quotes should be attributed to GIGObuster.
Thanks.
Yeah, I’m not denying past racism. The current “white north” vs. the “brown south” is bullshit. It’s a cheap trick to paint your opponent as a racist. Did I mention it’s a cheap trick?
Taking a look at US demographics reveals the US is 74.7% white.
Let’s look closer. 25.3% are definitely non-white. The 74.7% “white” includes 14.5% Hispanic. So if we consider Hispanics to be “brown skins” then we’re at 39.8% non-white. When we add the North African Americans, Middle Eastern Americans (e.g. Arab Americans), and Central Asian Americans we get - well I don’t know what we get exactly but what we do get is probably fairly close to the US being sorta kinda only 50% white, depending on which argument you’re in.
It’s just so easy to say “brown skins vs. whites” when what you really mean is Americans vs. Mexicans or Americans vs. Guatemalans, or Americans vs. whoever but unless you’re talking about Canada or Ireland it’s probably going to be “brown skins” because that’s so convenient.
Lighten up? 
Really, I’m having fun realizing how that silly people in the CIS are so casual in disparaging people (not just me) that for example, even while illegal, tested electronic components that did go into the Tomahawks that later kicked Saddam’s butt.
The reality is that when I see someone demanding others to lighten up in front of a cite that has connections with racism that then I do suspect someone else’s gig is up.
:rolleyes:
The cite refers to the information coming from FAIR and CIS as a broken record.
Ooh boy 
, my experience with him is to laugh in his face after he was just repeating the same debunked information, BTW no one else came to say my logic was bad in that discussion. As for the current one, I’m not dealing directly with the information by CIS, the other cite does already mention the problems, I’m only pointing out that the last paragraph of your CIS cite drops any pretension of fairness.
That I should laugh in your face too for never getting a clue and not looking for better sources?
Define that “ilk” you have in mind, if you would be so kind. What kind of people are you referring to when you say “You and your ilk”?
While you’re at it, what are these “lies”? Please point to 1) the statement I made, 2)why you know it to be factually incorrect, and 3) evidence that I knew what I stated to be false.
You’re seeing offense where there is none. You are reading insult into it. I wish we had a better relationship so you would consider this possibilty more.
Your statistics are irrelevant and meaningless. Are you trying to tell me that a big segment of anti-immigrant groups in the US aren’t motivated by racism? I got news for you, güey. Racism is alive and vibrant in the US and many of the anti-immigrant factions are blatant, no holds barred racists along the lines of the KKK. Denying this fact won’t make it disappear.
It is what it is. There ain’t no fucking convenience involved.
Here’s your problem, you assume that EVERYONE who holds their positions does so for the same reasons. Tha’ts simply a conclusion that you choose to make. It does not necessarily follow that their motivations or reasons are the same.
And you are SOOOO wrong here. I think most peolpe on this board will attest to that. But nothing will change your mind. Happy frothing in your imaginary world for imaginary reasons.
You’re so full of shit the methane gas you exhale when you burb would satisfy the energy needs of Mexico City for a year.
If you are going to define “illegals” (a term that irks me to no end, in any case) as “people who entered the U.S. illegally, or overstayed their lawful period of authorized admission for reasons within their control” - well, it’s been quite a while, but I’d say a solid majority (maybe 60 - 80%) of the cases I saw were for people who were lawful permanent residents who were convicted of crimes, and were in prison for that reason. I only visited prisons in the Midwest (most frequently Stateville, near Chicago, but also prisons in Wisconsin, Ohio, Kansas, and Kentucky - my office also covered prisons in Minnesota and Michigan, but I never traveled there myself), so I don’t know whether those numbers would hold up nationwide.
It may or may not be noteworthy that our office covered Leavenworth, where substantial numbers of Marielitos were held - I don’t know how much the Marielitos may skew the statistics, but the current state of affairs with the Marielitos is that they physically cannot be deported, because Castro refuses to take them back. And prisoners cannot be held more than 6 months beyond the end of their sentences awaiting permission from their home country governments to be returned, so after 6 months, they are released under supervision and are out on the streets again. And with that particular population, hell yes, there have been problems with recidivism.
In citing immigration-related matters, it would be helpful if you spelled out abbreviations like CIS, which is also a commonly used abbreviation for Citizenship and Immigration Services (the former INS).
Why are you cherry-picking L.A. County, which is far from representative of the situation in the U.S. as a whole?
You know what would go a long way toward supporting your point? A nationwide study, conducted by an impartial organization using statistically valid research techniques, that provided even partial backing for your allegation that immigrants increase crime. So, do you have one up your sleeve somewhere?
Oh yeah? You’re so…for two years!! :rolleyes:
Wow, that’s not great news.
What does INS stand for? Only kidding. I’ll try to remember that, particularly in discussions with you.
I was searching for what you described and came across that. I couldn’t find what I was looking for (what you described) and gave up. I thought that LA info was interesting in it’s own right, and also on point concerning illegals and crime.
Here’s a link that shines a bit more light on magellan’s CIS soulmates:
Connection of white supremicists and anti-immigrant groups
Yeah, magellan, it’s all imaginery.
Do you talk like that when addressing a jury ? Could you please speak English?
CBEscapee, my reference to CIS, quoted from a different thread, was intended to show that even rabidly anti-immigrant groups agree, roughly, on the $20 billion/year figure. I should have known that magpie would sieze the opportunity of its introduction by someone who thinks he’s a xenophobic lunatic to pretend that it’s a clean source. As the farmer said. “Don’t feed 'im; but if ye do, be careful what ye feed 'im.”
He does have a point, though. You should consider that different people can reach the same conclusion for different reasons. For example, some people want to exclude Hispanics because they’ll debase our language, some because they’ll sully our culture, some because they’ll defile white women, some because they’re all criminals, some because they harbor disease. Most of the rest, well, they’re just bigots.
I don’t think a “big segment” of “anti-immigration” groups in the US have even the tiniest amount of influence over what we do as a country as you think they do.
We got racists. We got KKK. Part of being American. They don’t own us, BTW.
I don’t think “it is what it is” means what you think it means.
That may be one of the most biased things I’ve ever read. I got through four paragraphs and was laughing too much to continue. Serioulsy, just read the first four paragrpahs. If you do not see the overt bias there is no helping you.
Unbelievable. Of course, YMMV.
Bolding mine. Everything that you just listed were the arguments of a Bigot. Some of you old boys are just too fucking dumb to realize what you are.
Eva Luna, GIGObuster, and CBEscapee have done that in this thread several times. Every thread that you have ever made concerning immigration, supremacy of your culture in the US (and how it is the primary, best US culture), or Islam has always been your bigoted lies refuted by truth. You’re just too stubborn or stupid to realize it when someone hands you your ass on a consistent basis on about every thread participate in.