He - or his henchmen- said condoms gave you AIDS. [which helped a lot of people in Africa] :rolleyes:
He - " " - said homosexuality is okay, but don’t marry and don’t ‘act upon it’ :rolleyes:
He- " " - was against abortion :rolleyes:
I truly hope the new pope will be less medieval.
You may want the next Pope to be less medieval, but chances are that he won’t be. The Holy Father elevated to the College of Cardinals mostly men who agreed with his stances. Furthermore, there are a good number of Catholics who don’t want the Pope to change anything. The Church is still trying to process Vatican II.
Change is not something the Church should be very interested in: as a matter of fact, some believe it is the Church’s obligation to be literally conservative, that is, to conserve the deposit of the faith. (Which is why there are a few schismatic groups around who believe in sedevacantism, whereby the Papacy since Vatican II has been empty because convening Vatican II was going against the Deposit of the Faith.)
While we operate with mindsets formed by our modern world, the leaders of the Catholic Church operate with a mindset formed over thousands of years. For people to expect things to change, just like that, is preposterous and fails to take into account the perspective from which the leadership comes. Furthermore, the values that we have in the West are not values shared around the world. The Church is a universal Church, not a Western Church.
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As long as he doesn’t actually get medieval on my ass.
gum, you have an interesting definition of medieval. I dare say that the kind of things you’d like the next Pope to change about his religion weren’t even on the liberal-rights radar as recently as half a century ago.
That just shows how behind the times things were 50 years ago. 
The Pope and the Church were responsible for millions of AIDS-related deaths in Africa thanks to their mind-numbingly stupid opposition to condoms. Fuck the fucking Deposit of Faith, if they keep that shit up, they’re all going straight to hell. And fuck the Catholic Church, too.
It’s all well and good standing up for your beliefs etc. but dishing out false ‘scientific’ statements about the effectiveness of condoms is quite another.
Add to that the protection of child rapists and the tolerance to situations like the, for all intents and purposes, slave labour camps set up in Ireland and you’ve got a religion that needs to really think about what it stands for and how it’s going about it.
Really? Could you ask him then why they had sex with young boys instead of female parishoners or altar girls? Seriously, I’ve been wondering about that.
I am pretty sure I recall that it happend that they preyed upon girls too, it’s just that there were more cases of boys, or maybe it’s how people kidnap white kids and black kids, but you hardly ever hear about the black kids on tv.
Are you sure? As far as I can tell all the African countries with the highest AIDS prevaliancy are all Protestant, except Ethiopia which is mainly Coptic I think. The countries with a RC majority have all got smaller AIDS problems. Africa is not a Catholic continent, so I am really not sure that RC views are a significant cause of the AIDS situation.
Here is a link to an article talking about the gender of victims. The gist of the article is that far more females than males are abused, but the males get much more publicity. The church has not seen fit to release statistics on victims, so there isn’t any hard data publicly available, but this article quotes therapists who work with victims of clergy abuse.
Cool! You have a donkey? Your stock just went up ten points in my estimation. They’re so cute. (And what’s the Darwinist explanation for the cross on their back, anyway?)
I really don’t know the absolute numbers, but the fact is that senior members of the Catholic Church are saying that condoms don’t help prevent AIDS and in fact may contribute to its spread. Even if you’re not Catholic, this has GOT to be confusing, seeing that it’s an outright lie.
http://www.cathnews.com/news/310/53.php
At the bottom of the article is a listing of other articles that cite this disastrous misinformation.
I don’t have the exact numbers, but whatever they are, the Catholic Church is being fucking evil here.
Thanks!
The Catholic Church and other religious “groups” basically emptied the Cairo UN meeting on population and family control, they have actively lobbied against government efforts of 1st world countries that give out sex-ed, condoms and family planning help.
Its not an issue of Africa being Catholic... but the Vatican and catholic movements actively blocking efforts at AIDS containment and education.I think we can hang up a “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED” banner on that one. I understand that the President has one he isn’t using anymore.
For the record, here is the data that led me to question how much of the blame for the spread of AIDS should be aimed at the RCC.
Central_&Southern_Africa_______South_America_
Country________AIDS%_Catholic___Country_____AIDS%___Catholic
BOTSWANA_______35.8____No_______GUYANA______3.01______No
SWAZILAND______35.6____No_______SURINAME____1.26______No
ZIMBABWE_______25.06___No_______ARGENTINA___0.69______Yes
LESOTHO________23.57___No_______BRAZIL______0.57______Yes
ZAMBIA_________19.95___No_______VENEZUELA___0.49______Yes
SOUTH_AFRICA___19.94___No_______PERU________0.35______Yes
NAMIBIA________19.54___No_______URUGUAY_____0.33______Yes
MALAWI_________15.96___No_______COLOMBIA____0.31______Yes
MOZAMBIQUE_____14.5____No_______ECUADOR_____0.3_______Yes
C.A.R._________13.84___No_______CHILE_______0.19______Yes
KENYA__________13.5____No_______PARAGUAY____0.11______Yes
DJIBOUTI_______11.75___No_______BOLIVIA_____0.1_______Yes
BURUNDI________11.32___Yes______FRA._GUYANA_0_________Yes
RWANDA_________11.21___No
ETHIOPIA_______10.63___No
GABON__________9_______Yes
TANZANIA_______8.09____No
CAMEROON_______7.73____No
CONGO_REPUBLIC_6.43____Yes
UGANDA_________6.1_____No
CONGO_DR_______5.07____Yes
ANGOLA_________2.78____Yes
EQ.L_GUINEA____0.51____Yes
SAO_TOME_PRINC_0_______Yes
‘Catholic’ in the table means at least 50% of the population is RC. Wouldn’t it make sense taht the RCC would be more succsesful at lobbying Catholic (instead of non-Catholic) nations to not provide condoms and education? It seems to me that Catholic and Islamic moralism that frowns upon extra-marital sex has been more succesful than an enlightened, liberal attitude at slowing AIDS, so far.
Rashak, you live in a catholic country with a relatively low AIDS rate- have Catholics been succesful in stopping condoms/Sex-ed over there?
ANd also, how do you code a ‘tab’?
Originally posted by ** BigBoss3**
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You mean: Beside the fact that the Islamic faith allows multiple wives?
If he’s married to all of them it’s not extramarital, is it?