Good thing you phrased this as a personal opinion, otherwise I’d be hollering “Cite?”
Personally, I think he’s a no-talent hack, right there with Joe Esterhaus and Dan Brown.
I’d be more inclined to believe Vidal’s account than anyone’s that has posted in this thread.
Regardless of what the statute books determine rape to be, why is it so difficult to consider that Polanski’s victim might have been a teenage slut?
Don’t be an idiot. I never even suggested he had.
I was commenting merely on Vidal’s appeal to personal experience, and his elevating of personal experience over evidence.
Because even if she was a “slut,” it’s still rape to have sex with a 13 year old girl? And by her account, it was not just statutory rape but forcible rape?
I recognize that opinions about writing are, on some level subjective and personal, but anyone who would argue this either hasn’t actually read Vidal’s work, or doesn’t know how to differentiate good writing from bad.
This has nothing to do with the actual content, but with the writing itself. In any rational and reasonable universe, Vidal’s writing is simply better than Dan Brown’s. Dislike the guy all you want, dislike his politics, whatever. But when you compare his writing to Dan Brown’s, it’s a little hard to take seriously.
“I’ll give you THREE lumps of dogshit for just ONE lump of gold!” jayjay, you’ve got some way to go before you become the Monty Hall of sexual orientation swapping.
Hey, at least I’m not making you dress up in costume…
Well, she would say that, wouldn’t she?
As for her age, I’d bet that at least 50% of males on this planet, if they had a physically mature, attractive young lady waving her tush at them, would have done the same thing. Knowing her age might decrease that number, but there still wouldn’t be only Roman Polanski answering the call.
Well, the judge believed her testimony. Why are you so determined to paint her as a conniving little slut–because Gore Vidal said so?
Pot, meet Kettle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYymnxoQnf8
Why is everyone else so determined to paint her as an innocent young victim, is just as valid a question. I’m giving Polanski the benefit of the doubt, because I’ve heard enough stories about teenage “star-fuckers”; what are your reasons for believing her account of the event?
I really shouldn’t feed you, but:
This is his victim at approximately the time of the crime. This is what drew his attention, right before he skipped to Europe and started seducing young girls there.
It doesn’t matter if she got naked, jumped into he bed and begged him to screw her. He’s an adult, she’s a child. He has responsibilities in this societies to not break the law and actually do the moral thing.
I’m no saint by any stretch. But I wouldn’t rape a 13 year old girl who thought she was willing. Nor would I forcibly rape any woman.
Seriously, are you such a weak kneed pussy that you can’t hold your own against a 13 year old girl? Do you truly have less character and force of will than a 13 year of child?
Can you point out where I said I’d be among the 50% that would? I know I am a honorable man, but I don’t know that about everyone else. Polanski might not be a honorable man, but I wasn’t there when this incident happened, so I’m not going to pontificate about what an evil man he is, based on one girl’s testimony. Now, if you can show this was not an isolated incident, I might be more inclined to join in with your faux outrage.
I only posted that because numberless accounts have stated that Ms. Geimer looked 18 at the time. This clearly isn’t the case - she looked about her age.
Not only forcible rape, but after being provided an alcoholic beverage laced with Quaaludes, ensuring that not only was she under age of consent but that she could not offer consent regardless of age.
She may have been the next whore of Babylon, she may have been a flytap, she may have been the bait for a blackmail scheme (though there is absolutely no evidence of this other than the unsubstantiated claims of Polanski apologists) but it still doesn’t matter; by his own testimony, Roman Polanski willingly and eagerly engaged in the incapacitation, unlawful restraint, and forcible rape of a 13 year old girl. There is no contesting these salient facts of the case, which came straight from the mouth of the perpetrator and who has never recanted his testimony. To suggest that there are any factors or actions committed by the victim which mitigate or assuage the actions of Polanski is beyond obtuse.
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Well, since he pled guilty to a charge of engaging in unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor, you can take his testimony as well.
Oh go fuck yourself. And the next time there’s a thread about rape and people are pretending everyone’s beyond bringing up an accuser’s sexual history, I’ll be sure to cite you you pathetic boy. God help any of your female friends and relatives who haven’t used those chastity belts you bought them.
WTF does that mean? Type slower, you might make more sense.
That might work. It wouldn’t help you much though.