True, but I don’t see the relevance. Doesn’t that support my contention that it is conceivable that a straight man might want to marry another man?
No, we are not robots. None of us are solely motivated by logic.
You’re dodging the question. Is it discrimatory?
But the word “bigot” does not refer to effect, but to intent.
But this does affect everyone. Unless you oppose restrictions on immigration in general, you must acknowledge that there are public interest issues regarding who is let in.
Yes, it has effects. Yes, those effects fall on you more than the general populace. But that’s true of many laws. Not once in my life have I felt it necessary to know what the hunting season for deer is, yet there are people who plan their whole lives around it. You didn’t choose to be hoosexual? Well, they didn’t choose to love hunting. Yes, they choose to hunt, but they don’t choose to love to hunt.
I think this needs to be repeated, since people have a tendency to misunderstand my point. My point is not that thise sort of law is fine and dandy. I understand that homosexuals are real human beings. But I also understand that the other side are real human beings. Sure, there are people like Phelps. But on the whole, they are not monsters. They do not take delight in the suffering of others. They are not going to read this thread and say “A lesbian is miserable! Woo-hoo!”. This is not, as the title claims, “a great victory for the homophobes”.
You confuse that which you are convinced of for obvious and logical, and sarcasm for lies. A lie is a falsehood intened to deceive. Did you really think I intended to deceive anyone? Your hypocrisy is laid bare by your railing against a mockery of a lie, while leaving unremarked upon the lie itself.
When I read your OP I felt terribly sorry for you, but I have to admit that a little voice in the back of my head told me that you were breaking up anyway and you just wanted something to whine about. When you denied all the help being offered to you my suspicions were strengthened. When I read this you lost every ounce of my sympathy.
I think it is a terrible and shameful thing that, in the year 2003, people are still being discriminated against for any reason. It’s horrible to think that a governing body of people can tell you who you’re allowed to love in “their” country. It’s horrible and it makes me sick and my heart goes out to every single individual that has experienced once millisecond of inconvienience due to these barbaric laws, but in all honesty Thylacine, I really don’t like the way you’ve handled this thread.
Cisco after four years of trying to conduct a relationship over long distance without seeing a hope for the future yes we broke. The fact is we should not have been long distance with no hope for the future for four years. We are human beings with needs and wants, not all of which can be conducted with 10000 miles between us. I saw in another forum today someone is appalled by the fact that fiance visas to the USA are now taking 2 years to process. I am also appalled, nobody should have to wait that long but when that wait may well be forever? Time to move on and hope to heal and perhaps salvage something of life. I had a double cancer scare this year, I am well aware of my own mortality and I am also aware of how hard it is to do the big life stuff with a partner so far away. There have been so many big things we haven’t been there for.
You have no idea of what we have done or who we have consulted or how much money we have spent all the while trying to maintain what was a full partnership in the extraordinarily difficult realm of time differences, cyberspace and telephone. I have not seen anything suggested here that we have not tried (other than the breaking laws thing neither of us are comfortable doing). Yes we broke, I doubt we would have if we had been together. Our final 2 weeks in the same land were wonderful.
Yes the OP was titled with great bitterness, this is the pit, I was feeling bitter and grieving and I ranted. I did not expect it to be on the front page for this length of time and my mood has changed somewhat as has the thread.
The first paragraph you quote above was just a friendly hey look at how we are splitting as nationalities as the issues are minorly different and the waters were potentially getting a little muddied.
The second was referencing the fact is that my government does claim to allow same-sex couples immigration so will not further address the issue when in practicality it has a qualifying period that it does not offer a visa for. I find that possibly more distateful than the blanket no that the USA offers. YMMV
The point remains, until we have some form of legally recognised partnership and our legal codes reflect this we are being treated unfairly. I have no interest in being a poster child or a shining light. I want an ordinary life with my life partner. We were denied, we tried to hang in and we broke. I fail to see how that changes thew facts that had we been a straight couple we likely would have woken up together this morning.
I am of course devastated that I failed to please you Cisco, that is after all my only mission on earth. :rolleyes:
Of course there are. I’d be happy for someone to be excluded from immigration because they had a criminal record for serial armed robbery, for instance. But someone’s sexuality isn’t something I’d consider a crucial issue. It has sweet FA to do with whether they’ll be a valuable member of a society, or the genuineness of a relationship.
But no one’s sexuality is being considered (AFAIC). No one asks what your sexuality is. And plenty of non-criminals are turned away.
I am done here, I ranted bitterly at the end of a relationship and 14 days of having my pain on the front page is enough for me. I have requested that it be closed, I have no idea if it will be but I am out of it.
May I suggest the semantics be taken to GD.
Sorry, Thylacine - my last post here too.
The Ryan, are you being deliberately dense or are you just naturally daft?
A heterosexual couple has access to fiance(e) and marriage visas. A homosexual couple does not.
As for no-one asking, it’s going to be pretty freakin’ obvious to anyone with half a freakin’ brain - possibly even you - that Thylacine and her partner are both women.
Closed at the request of the OP - and sorry for the bump that causes.
All the best, Thycaline.