Keynes
ibn al-Nafis
da Vinci
Hopper
Bacon
Anning
Alhazen
Halley
Sakharov
Goethe
Virchow
Ah. If we get eleven votes, then add
Harvey, William (yes, I know I nominated him but I’d rather give the credit to Ibn al-Nafis)
Goddard, Robert
to the Eliminate list.
Eliminations:
Anning, Mary
Bruno, Giordano
Goethe, Johann Wolfgang Von
Hamilton, William
Keynes, John Maynard
Leavitt, Henrietta Swan
Noether, Emmy
Patterson, Clair
Rubin, Vera
Virchow, Rudolf
Wigner, Eugene
If I still have a bonus vote, I’ll use it to keep Leonardo da Vinci around for a few more days.
There have been many interesting comments; and I’ve learned of a dozen great scientists I’d never heard of. Thank you. For example:
Yes; I do hope for more discussion. I was intrigued by the comments about Kip Thorne and several others. I want to make my own comment, to ask about our Armistice Day Massacre, when all the economists were shoved off the Island on or about Eleventh of November.
Contrast the quick elimination of all economists with the continued presence of practitioners of immunology or antiseptics. Is this intended to reward the health helpers for saving millions of lives? while the economists, however smart, have mostly failed, unable to outguess or influence Mother Nature, the Idiotocracies and Kleptocrats?
But if human benefit is the measure, I think Keynes and Friedman each espoused theories that increased production by billions or even trillions of dollars! (True, others could have written the textbooks. But vaccinators weren’t irreplaceable either.) And what did post-Newton astronomers ever do for us?
Even if you call the economists useless … so are astronomers, really. The astronomers observe the stars — that makes them scientists. But economists observe human and social decision making and economics data — a domain even more complicated than astronomy.
Yet the astronomers and vaccinators are both still in the pool, while the economists are all gone. SAD. 
?? :eek:
ETA: Yes, eventually the astronomers and quantum physicists may eventually discover interstellar travel. But perhaps it will be the economists who invent Selden’s psychohistory and save the Galactic Empire !! 
Elimination Round #3 is over.
There will be a Vote counting Elimination on Wednesday, Nov. 15 at 2 pm EST, and another Friday, also about 2 pm.
To encourage frequent voting, and speed the game’s pace, the Mod may also do vote count eliminations at about 2 pm on Tuesday or Thursday as well.
For the next round(s) each player has eleven votes, up to two of which may be spent as Keeps.
Here are some of the Round #3 vote totals. The first seven names are eliminated.
[INDENT]Eliminated:
Goethe, Johann Wolfgang von : 6
Keynes, John Maynard : 5
Braun, Werner von : 3
Goddard, Robert : 3
Halley, Edmund : 3
Sakharov, Andrei : 3
Virchow, Rudolf : 3
Others with 2+ votes:
Alhazen Ibn al-Haytham : 2
Bruno, Giordano : 2
Ibn al-Nafis : 2
Marconi, Guglielmo : 2
Patterson, Clair : 2
Hopper, Grace : 3-1 = 2
Leonardo da Vinci : 3-1 = 2
Anning, Mary : 2-1 = 1
Aristotle : 2-1 = 1
Franklin, Benjamin : 1-1 = 0
[/INDENT]
Official Scientists List:
Agassiz, Louis - biology, geology
Al-Biruni, Abu Rayhan Muhammad - natural philosophy
Al-Khwarizmi, Muhammad ibn Musa - math, astronomy
Alhazen Ibn al-Haytham - physics, etc.
Anning, Mary - paleontology
Archimedes - math, physics
Aristotle - philosophy, geology, biology, etc.
Babbage, Charles - computer science
Bacon, Francis - philosophy
Bardeen, John - physics, invention
Bernard, Claude - physiology
Berzelius, Jacob - chemistry
Boas, Franz - anthropology
Bohr, Niels - atomic physics
Boltzmann, Ludwig - thermodynamics
Borlaug, Norman - agronomics
Boyle, Robert - chemistry, physics
Brahmagupta - math, astronomy
Bruno, Giordano - philosophy
Cannon, Annie Jump - astronomy
Copernicus, Nicolas - astronomy
Crick, Francis - Dna
Curie, Marie - radioactivity
Dalton, John - chemistry
Darwin, Charles - biology
Davy, Sir Humphrey - chemistry
Dirac, Paul - physics
Doppler, Christian - physics
Einstein, Albert - physics
Eratosthenes - math, astronomy
Euclid - math
Euler, Leonhard - math
Faraday, Michael - electromagnetism, etc.
Fermat, Pierre de - math, optics
Fermi, Enrico - atomic physics
Feynman, Richard - physics
Fleming, Sir Alexander - medicine, biology
Franklin, Benjamin - physics, etc.
Franklin, Rosalind - chemistry, X-ray crystallography
Galen, of Pergamon - biology, medicine
Galileo - physics, astronomy, etc.
Gauss, Karl - math, astronomy
Gell-Mann, Murray - physics
Godel, Kurt - math
Goodall, Jane - primatology
Haber, Fritz - chemistry; invention (fertilizer, gas warfare)
Hamilton, William - astronomy, optics, math
Harvey, William - anatomy, blood
Hawking, Stephen - cosmology
Heisenberg, Werner - quantum theory
Hilleman, Maurice - biology, vaccination; saved more lives
Hipparchus, of Nicaea - astronomy, etc.
Hippocrates, of Cos - medicine
Hopper, Grace - computer science
Hubble, Edwin - astronomy
Hutton, James - geologist
Huygens, Christiaan - optics, physics
Ibn al-Nafis - anatomy, blood
Jenner, Edward - vaccination
Kepler, Johannes - astronomy, math
Lavoisier, Antoine - chemistry
Leakey, Louis - anthropology
Leavitt, Henrietta Swan - astronomy
Leeuwenhoek, Antonie van - microbiology, microscopy
Leibnitz, Gottfried - math, physics, etc.
Leonardo da Vinci - anatomy, invention, etc.
Liebig, Justus von - organic chemistry; a great practical scientist.
Linnaeus, Carolus - botany, taxonomy
Lister, Joseph - antiseptics
Lovelace, Ada Byron Countess of - computer science
Lyell, Charles - geology
Mach, Ernst - physics, cosmology
Marconi, Guglielmo - radio transmission
Marsh, Othneil = paleontology
Maxwell, James Clerk - physics
McClintock, Barbara - genetics
Mead, Margaret - anthropology
Meitner, Lise - atomic physics
Mendel, Gregor - genetics
Mendeleev, Dmitri - chemistry
Michelson, Albert - astronomy; speed of light
Morley, Edward - astronomy, chemistry, optics, and physics.
Mullis, Kary - biology
Neumann, John von - computer science, etc.
Newton, Sir Isaac - math, physics
Noether, Emmy - math
Oppenheimer, Robert - atomic physics
Pasteur, Louis - chemistry, biology
Patterson. Clair - geochemistry
Pauli, Wolfgang - quantum physics
Pauling, Linus - chemistry
Planck, Max - quantum physics
Poincare, Henri - math
Ptolemy - astronomy
Pythagoras - math
Rubin, Vera - astronomy
Russell, Bertrand - math
Rutherford, Ernest - nuclear physics, atomic theory, radioactivity.
Salk, Jonas - medicine, vaccination
Schrodinger, Erwin - wave mechanics
Semmelweis, Ignaz - antiseptics
Shannon, Claude - computer science
Smith, William - geology
Tesla, Nicolai - physics, invention
Thales, of Miletus - math
Thorne, Kip - physics
Turing, Alan - computer science, etc.
Ventner, Craig - genetics
Vesalius, Andreas - founder of anatomical sciences
Volta, Alessandro - chemistry, physics
Watson, James - Dna
Wegener, Alfred - meteorology, continental drift
Wigner, Eugene - physics, symmetry
Zhang Heng - astronomy, mechanics
[del]Arrow, Kenneth - economics[/del] 11/11
[del]Braun, Wernher von - rocket science[/del] 11/13
[del]Edison, Thomas Alva - invention[/del] 11/09
[del]Freud, Sigmund - psychology[/del] 11/09
[del]Friedman, Milton - economics[/del] 11/09
[del]Ge Hong - philosophy, alchemy[/del] 11/09
[del]Goddard, Robert - rocket science[/del] 11/13
[del]Goethe, Johann Wolfgang von - natural philosophy[/del] 11/13
[del]Gutenberg, Johannes - invention[/del] 11/11
[del]Halley, Edmond - astronomy, etc.[/del] 11/13
[del]Jung, Carl - psychology[/del] 11/11
[del]Keynes, John Maynard - economics[/del] 11/13
[del]Lamarr, Hedy - invention[/del] 11/11
[del]Nisibis, St. Jacob of - theology, founded early school[/del] 11/09
[del]Ockham, William of - philosophy[/del] 11/11
[del]Ricardo, David - economics[/del] 11/11
[del]Sagan, Carl - astronomy[/del] 11/09
[del]Sakharov, Andrei - nuclear physics[/del] 11/13
[del]Samuelson, Paul - economics[/del] 11/11
[del]Smith, Adam - economics[/del] 11/11
[del]Tyson, Neil deGrasse - astrophysics, science popularizer[/del] 11/09
[del]Virchow, Rudolf - medicine, cell doctrine, etc.[/del] 11/13
Eliminations:
Alhazen Ibn al-Haytham
Anning, Mary
Bernard, Claude
Bruno, Giordano
Hamilton, William
Leavitt, Henrietta Swan
Noether, Emmy
Patterson, Clair
Rubin, Vera
Wigner, Eugene
Keep:
Leonardo da Vinci
I voted against economists not because they’re not great, but because they’re not scientists. Or to be more precise, there are some parts of economics which are mathematical, but they don’t apply to the real world, only to some very vague approximation to the real world, populated by rational actors.
ELIMINATE:
Aristotle
Babbage, Charles
Galen, of Pergamon
Haber, Fritz
Harvey, William
Lister, Joseph
Lovelace, Ada Byron Countess of
Marconi, Guglielmo
Patterson, Clair
Russell, Bertrand
Ventner, Craig
All science applies to approximations of the real world.
Anning, Mary
Aristotle
Ventner, Craig
Marconi, Guglielmo
Leonardo da Vinci
Haber, Fritz
Hopper, Grace - computer science
Well, yes, all science involves approximations, but usually the approximation is at least close enough to be recognizable.
Eliminate:
Bruno, Giordano
Franklin, Benjamin
Goodall, Jane
Haber, Fritz
Hamilton, William
Hawking, Stephen
Liebig, Justus van
Rubin, Vera
Shannon, Claude
Thorne, Kip
Zhang Heng
You’re allowed 11 votes altogether. I show you with an old (leftover) vote on B. Franklin. I’ll keep that vote on unless you tell me otherwise.
Scientists with two or more active votes are:
Marconi, Guglielmo : 4
Alhazen Ibn al-Haytham : 3
Anning, Mary : 3
Bruno, Giordano : 3
Haber, Fritz : 3
Hopper, Grace : 4-1 = 2.99
Leonardo da Vinci : 4-1 = 2.99
Hamilton, William : 2
Patterson, Clair : 2
Rubin, Vera : 2
Goodall, Jane : 2
Ibn al-Nafis : 2
Ventner, Craig : 2
Aristotle : 3-1 = 1.99
Franklin, Benjamin : 2-1 = 0.99
As you can see, I’m counting the Keep votes as canceling 1.01 Evict votes. To speed the game, I’m thinking of eliminating those with 2 votes this round (but not Aristotle at 3-1 = 1.99).
**Elimination Round #4 is over.
There will be a Vote counting Elimination on Friday, Nov. 17 at 2 pm EST.
For the next round(s) each player has eleven votes, up to two of which may be spent as Keeps.**
I showed the current vote counts in the previous post. 13 scientists are eliminated now:
Alhazen Ibn al-Haytham
Anning, Mary
Bruno, Giordano
Goodall, Jane
Haber, Fritz
Hamilton, William
Hopper, Grace
Ibn al-Nafis
Leonardo da Vinci
Marconi, Guglielmo
Patterson, Clair
Rubin, Vera
Ventner, Craig
There are still 101 scientists left.
Official Scientists List:
Agassiz, Louis - biology, geology
Al-Biruni, Abu Rayhan Muhammad - natural philosophy
Al-Khwarizmi, Muhammad ibn Musa - math, astronomy
Archimedes - math, physics
Aristotle - philosophy, geology, biology, etc.
Babbage, Charles - computer science
Bacon, Francis - philosophy
Bardeen, John - physics, invention
Bernard, Claude - physiology
Berzelius, Jacob - chemistry
Boas, Franz - anthropology
Bohr, Niels - atomic physics
Boltzmann, Ludwig - thermodynamics
Borlaug, Norman - agronomics
Boyle, Robert - chemistry, physics
Brahmagupta - math, astronomy
Cannon, Annie Jump - astronomy
Copernicus, Nicolas - astronomy
Crick, Francis - Dna
Curie, Marie - radioactivity
Dalton, John - chemistry
Darwin, Charles - biology
Davy, Sir Humphrey - chemistry
Dirac, Paul - physics
Doppler, Christian - physics
Einstein, Albert - physics
Eratosthenes - math, astronomy
Euclid - math
Euler, Leonhard - math
Faraday, Michael - electromagnetism, etc.
Fermat, Pierre de - math, optics
Fermi, Enrico - atomic physics
Feynman, Richard - physics
Fleming, Sir Alexander - medicine, biology
Franklin, Benjamin - physics, etc.
Franklin, Rosalind - chemistry, X-ray crystallography
Galen, of Pergamon - biology, medicine
Galileo - physics, astronomy, etc.
Gauss, Karl - math, astronomy
Gell-Mann, Murray - physics
Godel, Kurt - math
Harvey, William - anatomy, blood
Hawking, Stephen - cosmology
Heisenberg, Werner - quantum theory
Hilleman, Maurice - biology, vaccination; saved more lives
Hipparchus, of Nicaea - astronomy, etc.
Hippocrates, of Cos - medicine
Hubble, Edwin - astronomy
Hutton, James - geologist
Huygens, Christiaan - optics, physics
Jenner, Edward - vaccination
Kepler, Johannes - astronomy, math
Lavoisier, Antoine - chemistry
Leakey, Louis - anthropology
Leavitt, Henrietta Swan - astronomy
Leeuwenhoek, Antonie van - microbiology, microscopy
Leibnitz, Gottfried - math, physics, etc.
Liebig, Justus von - organic chemistry; a great practical scientist.
Linnaeus, Carolus - botany, taxonomy
Lister, Joseph - antiseptics
Lovelace, Ada Byron Countess of - computer science
Lyell, Charles - geology
Mach, Ernst - physics, cosmology
Marsh, Othneil = paleontology
Maxwell, James Clerk - physics
McClintock, Barbara - genetics
Mead, Margaret - anthropology
Meitner, Lise - atomic physics
Mendel, Gregor - genetics
Mendeleev, Dmitri - chemistry
Michelson, Albert - astronomy; speed of light
Morley, Edward - astronomy, chemistry, optics, and physics.
Mullis, Kary - biology
Neumann, John von - computer science, etc.
Newton, Sir Isaac - math, physics
Noether, Emmy - math
Oppenheimer, Robert - atomic physics
Pasteur, Louis - chemistry, biology
Pauli, Wolfgang - quantum physics
Pauling, Linus - chemistry
Planck, Max - quantum physics
Poincare, Henri - math
Ptolemy - astronomy
Pythagoras - math
Russell, Bertrand - math
Rutherford, Ernest - nuclear physics, atomic theory, radioactivity.
Salk, Jonas - medicine, vaccination
Schrodinger, Erwin - wave mechanics
Semmelweis, Ignaz - antiseptics
Shannon, Claude - computer science
Smith, William - geology
Tesla, Nicolai - physics, invention
Thales, of Miletus - math
Thorne, Kip - physics
Turing, Alan - computer science, etc.
Vesalius, Andreas - founder of anatomical sciences
Volta, Alessandro - chemistry, physics
Watson, James - Dna
Wegener, Alfred - meteorology, continental drift
Wigner, Eugene - physics, symmetry
Zhang Heng - astronomy, mechanics
[del]Alhazen Ibn al-Haytham - physics, etc.[/del] 11/15
[del]Anning, Mary - paleontology[/del] 11/15
[del]Arrow, Kenneth - economics[/del] 11/11
[del]Braun, Wernher von - rocket science[/del] 11/13
[del]Bruno, Giordano - philosophy[/del] 11/15
[del]Edison, Thomas Alva - invention[/del] 11/09
[del]Freud, Sigmund - psychology[/del] 11/09
[del]Friedman, Milton - economics[/del] 11/09
[del]Ge Hong - philosophy, alchemy[/del] 11/09
[del]Goddard, Robert - rocket science[/del] 11/13
[del]Goethe, Johann Wolfgang von - natural philosophy[/del] 11/13
[del]Goodall, Jane - primatology[/del] 11/15
[del]Gutenberg, Johannes - invention[/del] 11/11
[del]Haber, Fritz - chemistry; invention (fertilizer, gas warfare)[/del] 11/15
[del]Halley, Edmond - astronomy, etc.[/del] 11/13
[del]Hamilton, William - astronomy, optics, math[/del] 11/15
[del]Hopper, Grace - computer science[/del] 11/15
[del]Ibn al-Nafis - anatomy, blood[/del] 11/15
[del]Jung, Carl - psychology[/del] 11/11
[del]Keynes, John Maynard - economics[/del] 11/13
[del]Lamarr, Hedy - invention[/del] 11/11
[del]Leonardo da Vinci - anatomy, invention, etc.[/del] 11/15
[del]Marconi, Guglielmo - radio transmission[/del] 11/15
[del]Nisibis, St. Jacob of - theology, founded early school[/del] 11/09
[del]Ockham, William of - philosophy[/del] 11/11
[del]Patterson. Clair - geochemistry[/del] 11/15
[del]Ricardo, David - economics[/del] 11/11
[del]Rubin, Vera - astronomy[/del] 11/15
[del]Sagan, Carl - astronomy[/del] 11/09
[del]Sakharov, Andrei - nuclear physics[/del] 11/13
[del]Samuelson, Paul - economics[/del] 11/11
[del]Smith, Adam - economics[/del] 11/11
[del]Tyson, Neil deGrasse - astrophysics, science popularizer[/del] 11/09
[del]Ventner, Craig - genetics[/del] 11/15
[del]Virchow, Rudolf - medicine, cell doctrine, etc.[/del] 11/13
Today under the hammer…
Justus von Liebig - scientific work mostly incremental
Joseph Lister - just one main accomplishment - though it was a big one
Charles Lyell - a lot of work as a populariser rather than purely practising scientist
Ernst Mach - as Lister
Othneil Marsh - if I ditched Mary Anning, I really have to can him too
Margaret Mead - persistent claims of inaccuracy from multiple sources
Edward Morley - not prolific outside of that one famous experiment
Kary Mullis - supporter of AIDS denialists and climate change denialists
Robert Oppenheimer - strip out his work as teacher, mentor and administrator, and his scientific accomplishments are still good - but not great enough
Pythagoras - can’t tell how much of his work was really his work
Ignaz Semmelweis - I give him credit as a magnificent obstinate bastard, but he didn’t know **why **he was right, only **that **he was.
ELIMINATE:
Aristotle
Babbage, Charles
Bacon, Francis
Galen, of Pergamon
Harvey, William
Lister, Joseph
Lovelace, Ada Byron Countess of
Marsh, Othneil
Mullis, Kary
Pauling, Linus
Russell, Bertrand
Eliminations:
Bardeen, John
Bernard, Claude
Cannon, Annie Jump
Hipparchus of Nicaea
Leavitt, Henrietta Swan
Marsh, Othneil
Mullis, Kary
Noether, Emmy
Russell, Bertrand
Semmelweis, Ignaz
Wigner, Eugene
Eliminate:
Aristotle
Brahmagupta
Franklin, Benjamin
Godel, Kurt
Hawking, Stephen
Liebig, Justus von
Mullis, Katy
Shannon, Claude
Thorne, Kip
Wigner, Eugene
Zhang Heng
Remove:
Aristotle
Russell, Bertrand
Franklin, Benjamin
Marsh, Othneil
Pythagoras
Keep:
John Bardeen