Grrrr. Restaurants that don't know the meaning of MED RARE

There’s an absolutely fabulous kosher French restaurant in midtown that serves excellent steaks. I can’t remember the name, but it’s somewhere around 44th-45th and 7th. I went for an orthodox friend’s birthday and had a WONDERFUL prime rib. I highly recommend it, if you can find it.

I love my steaks bloody. If the plate’s silent, I send it back. I need my red meat dripping in blood. Of course, I get questions about how someone who was a vegan for two years can eat rare steak, but it wasn’t the meat I didn’t like, it was for health reasons. Now that I’ve gone back to eating red meat, albeit rarely, I LOVE my steaks incredibly rare. There’s no taste if they’re served above medium rare.

My mom, on the other hand, wants her steaks cooked to the texture of her shoes. I always cringe when she orders red meat. I don’t see the point of spending $20 on a piece of chewy leather.

Ava

See, I didn’t know that, but then I’m color-blind and I don’t pay attention to the color of meat, anyway. When I first learned to brown hamburger, I had to learn to remember the texture and not the color. So, when I go into a restaurant and order my meat medium-well, I can’t do it off colors.

If it doesn’t arrive cooked medium-well, then it goes back. Colors will never be a part of it.

If the steak is dripping in blood, it’s not kosher.

I thought it was kosher in how they killed the animal, not how it was served?

I requested the steak medium rare there - which is how I usually order my steaks out. But would someone not be able to order a rare steak in a kosher restaurant?

Ava

I think his point is that there shouldn’t be any blood left in it after a kosher slaughter. The blood is drained completely specifically because of the prohibition against eating blood.

I’ve always wondered…is it really blood that comes out of a rare steak or just juices?

Gotcha. I’m not familiar with kosher practices, so I really don’t know what it involves. That particular steak may not have been dripping in blood - it was two years ago - I just usually prefer it that way. I was under the impression that it was a kosher restaurant, but that may have not been the case either - except my friend did eat meat, and she typically ate vegetarian when we ate out because we rarely ate in kosher restaurants.

Eh. Learn something every day.

Ava

I like my steak rare-medium rare, and my burgers medium rare. However because of the anonying health crap I can’t get medium rare burgers anymore. So I got in the habit of just ordering them “as rare as you can make it”.

I did this one time in a truck stop in Wyoming. I guess the cook didn’t give a crap about the health stuff, because it was pretty much as rare as you can possibly make a hamburger. Seared just enough to hold together, and not even warm on the outside, and still raw and refridgerator cold on the inside. It came as quite a surprise when I bit into it. Now I can appreciate carpaccio(sp?), tartar, and raw beef as long as it’s raw good beef. But crappy hamburger raw isn’t my favorite. i was stuck with the moral dilemma of eating a pile of raw gristley hamburger that was technically exactly the way I ordered it, Or be an ass and send it back for more cooking. The waitress and cook were really busy, so I ate at least half the burger as is.

Deuteronomy 12:22-24
“But be sure you do not eat the blood, because the blood is the life, and you must not eat the life with the meat. You must not eat the blood; pour it out on the ground like water.”

Then I guess it wasn’t a kosher restaurant. Or it was a very bad kosher restaurant. My bad.

Ava

Then again, I’m not Jewish, so I may be interpreting it wrong. Or the “blood” in rare steaks isn’t really blood, as such. I do know that kosher slaughter involves draining the blood, though.

Huh? There’s no way to “drain the blood completely”. When we slaughter animals, we always bleed them out, but steaks are still bloody if you cook’em rare. This is simply the nature of red meat. To get all the blood out, you’d have to somehow pump water through the circulatory system or something, otherwise some stays in there. Though actually, I believe what’s being called ‘blood’ in these cases is mostly fatty water, and only in relatively small part actual blood. It doesn’t have the same, um, texture or viscosity as blood.

(I haven’t a clue whether rare steaks violate kosher laws.)

I shouldn’t have said “completely”. I thought about the difficulty of getting all the blood out, but didn’t edit my post before I submitted it. :o

Here’s how the State of Washingto Department of Health regulates how beef is cooked for public consumption:

Ground beef must be cooked well-done, meaning 170 degrees at the center. Of course, I never really understood ordering a hamburger rare or medium-rare anyway - when you’ve got a beef patty that is only a quarter of an inch thick to begin with, it’s kind of hard to cook it any other way but well-done and still get it hot.

Beef steaks and roasts must be cooked to 140 degrees in the center. The lone exception is rare beef which may be cooked to just 130 degrees as long as it is served immediately.

When I first learned to cook steaks, I learned to judge “doneness” by feel - poking the steak to see how firm it is. I was pretty damn good at it, too. I did eventually see a chart that showed temperatures, though:

Rare = 130 degrees in the center

Med. Rare = 140 degrees

Medium = 150 - 155 degrees

Med. Well = 160 degrees

Well = 170 degrees
Regarding prime rib - every restaurant in which I’ve worked that served prime rib, the big roast was cooked rare. Individual servings would then be microwaved (sigh) if the customer wanted it cooked more than rare.

As to how you get your steaks nowadays, I have a suggestion. Stay away from chains - go to small, locally-owned steakhouses. Chains are more likely to have “fly-by-night” cooks - guys who are cooking because their regular line of work is slow right now. You’d be amazed at how many cooks out there are really construction workers who are between construction jobs. Around here, anyway. Do you want a carpenter fixing your steak? :wink: Smaller local restaruants, at least if they’re any good, are much more likely to have an actual chef, or at least a long-term, honest-to-goodness cook who has been working there long enough to know what he’s doing.

I will say, though, that in twenty years as a cook I have seen a steady, definite decline in the quality of foodservice workers. Partly due to the fact that the wages are utter shit, there are generally three kinds of people you find working as cooks nowadays:

1 - The “one job is as good as another” cook. May carry the title “chef” but he’s not really. It’s just a job to this guy, and he’ll be out the door as soon as something better comes along. He doesn’t really care about quality - as long as the food is acceptable enough to not get many complaints he’s satisfied. The most common cook.

2 - The “I hate this job” cook - may be a chef. This guy can’t stand cooking, even though he’s pretty good at it. He’s good at it because he’s been doing it for years. He’s been doing it for years because he doesn’t know how to do anything else - or at least nothing else that he could make a living at. He’s burned out. Disillusioned, he’s the guy most likely to want to spit in your food, though he probably won’t. You’ll usually get a quality meal from this guy. Fairly common.

3 - The “A cook is what I am” cook - often a real chef. This guy cooks because he loves to cook. Cooking is an art to him. He demands excellence, and prepares every meal as if he’s going to eat it himself. If you’re unhappy, he’s unhappy, and he is eager to correct any error he may have made and may even come to your table to make sure everything is prepared to your satisfaction. This cook is very rare.

Of course, there are all shades of gray between those categories. If you can find a restaurant with Cook #3, you’re very lucky. I have to say that I probably fall somewhere between #2 and #3, but close to #3. I’m not a chef, but I"m a damn good cook :slight_smile:

To make meat kosher, you use koshering salt, which draws out the blood where it can be then washed off.

I once went to a restaurant where the menu actually stated (in a rather Southwest Airlines way) that they refused to serve steak well done. It was a cool restaurant… wish I remembered the name.

It’s amazing to see so many people in this thread who know how to eat meet. It seems like whenever I’m at a barbecue or go out to eat I’m surrounded by people who think that if there’s any pink whatsoever that the meat is raw…

Good steak not only deserves respects, it damned well demands it. Anyone who settles for less is a heathen.
That means that anybody who overcooks a good cut of beef beyond medium should save their money and eat a pair of JC Penny shoes. Anyone who puts ketchup on quality steak should just be shot outta pure principle.
I don’t eat meat all that often, much less in pure form, mostly because I’m increasingly picky in my old age. But if I, as a consumer and okay-home-cook, can master the basics then so can food professionals who charge out the wazoo. If I’m paying for a quality cut of meat then I expect the waitstaff to interpret my order with reasonable effectiveness. When in doubt, clarify. If restaurant or local regs prevail, explain the caveats upfront. As the customer, it’s my prerogative to decide whether the final product will be acceptable. If not, I’ll order something else; no harm, no foul.
What’s this ridiculousness about the customers’ responsiblities ordering by color or similar Sesame Street approaches to getting food cooked to taste? It might seem pragmatic but talk about chaos…not to mention the kind of pushines that leads service people to hate customers. “Blue in the middle? We only do red.” “Is that more maroon or mauve red?” “More a dark pinkish red, definitely less than a crimson, verging on an intense damask.”
Bleh.
Oh, and the blood on the plate thing? Heresy. If it’s still sizzling it isn’t ready to eat. The juices should be in the steak, not gushing out. Good meat needs to rest for at least 5 minutes before serving. It’ll still be plenty hot but all the juice has a chance to draw back into the meat where it belongs.
Grrr.

If you’re ever in the Los Angeles area, meat lovers, do spend the money and the time to go to Pacific Dining Car. There are two locations, one close to downtown and the other in Santa Monica. I’ve never had better steak. Never! They know how to cook, they know how to serve, they’ve got great wine, and the atmosphere of the place itself is upscale, classy, but encourages you to sit and enjoy your meal, wine, and chocolate souffle afterwards. (and you’ve GOT to order the chocolate souffle!)

Of course, it’s pricey, but well worth it. And to top it all off, the downtown location is open 24 hours a day and the Santa Monica eatery is open until 2am. Imagine it - perfectly cooked USDA prime beef at 3am! :eek:

:smiley: That’s how my husband and I like 'em, too, Juanita.
We like going to Ocean Pride in Lutherville. They’ve got a filet mignon that’s wonderful. It’s served on a piece of toast to soak up the juices, and then you can eat the toast when you’re done. Yummy.
And it’s always cooked bloody rare, just the way we like it, and you can get it with lump crabmeat on it if you want (not crab imperial, just lump crab).
And you might want to try Silver Spring Mining Company, on Bel Air Road in Perry Hall - great steaks cooked to order.

If you cut into a steak, no matter how rare you like it, and blood or juices pour out, it hasn’t been cooked and rested properly. You want those juices IN the steak, not pouring out on the plate. A steak that rests for 5 min or so after being cooked has time for the cellular structure to relax, and the juices stay in the meat, providing more flavor and a more yummiful steak.

Just to let all you thread-followers know… This thread made me go out for steak. I ordered it “medium rare” and it was… perfect.

Warm red center, sorrouned by pink, seared shut with all the juices locked in. You cut into it and it did not dribble juice all over like a punctured water balloon, all the juices were held in by the meat fibres for succulence.

Most excellent! The steak was not “aged” though so it didn’t have that additional falvour. It was very fresh and perfectly prepared.

So… I am satisfied that there is good steak to be had. This thread had me worried! :slight_smile:

Now if we have a thread about fudge, I’ll have to go out and eat some and the Dope will be entirely responsible for any weight gain.