The first example is only a few days ago, and being that it was in the HOuse, it’s understandable that Graham and Ayotte might not have been aware. It could also be that 60 Minutes forced the President’s hand. This isn’t the first time that allegations against him have been “debunked” by the administration belatedly doing the right thing at the last possible moment.
The other example was a classified hearing in front of a House committee, so it’s also understandable that Senators and Candy Crowley wouldn’t be aware.
SPIKE!!! Oops, 10-yard line, premature again. You really should get help for that.
BTW, I’m looking awfully prescient these days about my complaints pre-election about Obama’s incompetence. Almost all of the reporting since he was reelected has been about basic management failures in his adminstration.
The media says I’m right. YOu say I’m wrong. Unless you have an MBA or run a company and can expound on how Obama’s management style is textbook awesomeness, I’m pretty comfortable that I’m right.
So far, your counterarguments have been, “He’s not so bad.” and “the media exaggerates” which doesn’t exactly refute anything.
In the sense that he can’t be re-elected, sure. And he certainly acquired some blame for the recent government shutdown. But here’s the thing - if Obama’s decreasing approval rating is a victory for the GOP, it’s a Pyrrhic one which says little about Obama’s actual performance.
I’m content to let history be the judge of Obama’s legacy. You need him to be wrong NOW. Time - and reality - is on my side.
I never said it was a victory for the GOP. What it is is a recognition by the public that he’s not as smart as they thought he was, and definitely not as honest as they thought he was. Which makes him a lame duck, no matter how bad the GOP screws up, unless they screw up badly enough to lose the House, which looks unlikely. partly because they’ve learned from the shutdown and are unlikely to repeat the mistake.
I only need him to be wrong now for vindication, not for political purposes. I’m supposedly wrong about everything, yet the media is echoing the very things I said a year ago.
Yep, definitely difficult to refute insinuation and your own special “Punxsutawney Phil” interpretation of events Ad, since they’re not based on reality as most people experience it.
Surely you saw your shadow yesterday? Doesn’t that mean you have to crawl back into your hole for another 12 months?
There’s no insinuation. The media is reporting quite directly, in well-sourced articles, the faulty decisionmaking process of this administration.
As far as Benghazi goes, we still don’t know what he ordered. He says he ordered that all assistance be rendered, but none was and no one was punished for disobeying the President. Which means he either never gave such an order, or someone down the line decided it was a stupid order.
I don’t think it’s any secret that Obama has been a disappointment in some regards to the left both in terms of things they thought he’d do and didn’t and in terms of things he said he’d do and didn’t. But the first is entirely the public’s (and indeed the media’s) fault, and the second, while genuinely disappointing, still falls far short of how poorly other administrations (Democratic ones included) have lived up to their promises.
Personally I’ve always been of the view that the stuff Obama hasn’t done that I would have liked him to do the Republicans wouldn’t have done either, the stuff he’s done that I would have preferred he hadn’t done the Republicans would have done twice as much of, and the stuff he’s done that I’ve liked has been substantial. So IMO he wins on actual achievements compared to the likely alternative by a long way.
Oh ye of little faith. The GOP of late has not been very good at learning lessons from defeats (see: the aftermath of 2012).
At the moment 2014 is more likely to be a referendum on the Tea Party (versus the rest of the GOP) than anything Obama’s done and them losing the House is, while not likely, well within the range of the possible. But a year is a very long time in politics, so we’ll see.
And appear to be wrong about it too, despite your post hoc rationalizations (maybe they didn’t know about it, they forced the President’s hand, the sun was in their eyes, etc). You build these strawmen and then spend all your time trying to stuff straw in faster than it falls out.
Oh, on the subject of his incompetence and duplicity, I think history will prove me quite right. Hopefully soon enough to come back and laugh at some of you.
In the meantime, I have to settle for mainstream media details, which of course are handwaved away for various reasons to avoid grappling with them.
No one here is claiming you’re not Right, Ads. It’s painfully apparent from the limited scope of your postings.
Being right is a different matter. You clowns started the incompetence chant before Bam was even sworn in, how is it any more valid now?
Because you’re beshat enough to assign “failures” to Obama that are generated by a disfunctional government whose resources are stetched too thin trying to deal with the tug of war and de facto stone walling the GOP has implemented ?
So you leap past the logical conclusion that your parties obstructionism is to blame for the current shaky state of government to the Right’s 5 year mantra," It’s Obama’s fault, he can’t get anything done".
Gee, I wonder why? :rolleyes:
“Come back and laugh at some of you”? Does that mean you’re going away?
Well, if you see your job as solely getting legislation passed, and it’s someone else’s job to actually implement the legislation, then you’ll naturally see him as quite successful, and whose failures can be primarily blamed on his opposition.
However, if like me, you see a President’s job as primarily, you know, running the executive branch and carrying out the laws of the land as per his oath of office, then you can’t blame opposition for that. He’s got all the power within his branch of government and he’s used it as much as GWB did. Mainly in the pursuit of legislation by other means. In terms of actually running the government, he’s disengaged. No one tells him anything.
The media does not say you’re right. You’re wrong about this, as just about everything. The media reports, sometimes with accuracy and sometimes with typical media douchebaggery, about mistakes and missteps. And none of us have denied that the President has made mistakes and missteps. But your claims and inferences have been overwhelmingly wrong. And you keep walking back your claims, or shifting the goalposts, which should tell you something.
Does he keep walking back his claims? I think he just repeats dumbass shit he gets elsewhere that he hopes is true and then just moves on to the next wrong thing without a second thought.
Adaher has shown no capacity for learning or change. He does not mind being completely and totally wrong as long as he adheres to a party line.
We’ll go with the first one you made in this thread- in this post: the President (and his administration) did not lie about the cause of attack (at worst, Rice made a cautious misstatement qualified by "the investigation is ongoing and we shouldn’t jump to conclusions), and there’s no reason to believe that they knew immediately that it was a planned, coordinated attack. The fact that there were threats, and the fact that some intelligence personnel had a belief that was later shown to be correct, does not translate to “the President knew and lied”. There’s absolutely nothing there.
Here’s another blatantly false claim:
This is very, very false. An incorrect statement. You’ve also claimed that witnesses were under pressure not to talk. This is false, and has been false for months- there were interviews back in May. The Republicans are far more interested in using this as a political cudgel then in actually investigating the facts… the last thing they want is to actually have their “demands” met! So even when they’ve already had access, they’ll just pretend they didn’t.