Really nothing, since hunting hasn’t been needed for many years. Since vegetarians seem very healthy, I guess you could make a case that it’s never been needed. But when it was needed for carnivores, people with no more intelligence than you did fine, for millienia, with spears and clubs.
Those strike me as inadequate reasons. If it killed instantly if misused, you would have a stronger case, IMO.
I’m a veteran with a dozen guns myself, and I disagree that an AR15 is easier to shoot than a revolver. I know that when I taught my wife and kids how to shoot, they learned pistols much faster than rifles. I hope I don’t get into trouble by revealing that my preferred home defense weapon is already illegal, namely a short-barrel shotgun. And it’s just my opinion, but if you can’t put someone down with six shots from a revolver, then I don’t want you shooting an AR15 within half a mile of my home.
Noted, but if your point is that we should also ban 22 pistols, then I disagree. And that’s the only cogent point that I could imagine you were trying to make. Surely you weren’t using the same idiotic logic that would say, “Some pedestrians are killed by cars traveling only 30mph, so we should abolish speed limits within cities.”
You got me, I overstated the case. They are also good for shooting up shopping malls and movie theaters. And it goes without saying that they are excellent for their intended purpose, namely assault.
Your rant has very little to do with … oh, you mean my rant? Yes, I shamefully admit that my assumptions have a great deal to do with what I write.
Ah, so the fact there is no need for hunting is a reason to ban them? So we should ban bolt action hunting rifle, skeet guns etc…?
I think you may want to talk to a wildlife management agency about there being no “need” for hunting though. Deer hunting is a critical numbers management tool to help prevent mass starvation etc…
So you admit to actively committing a felony by having a shotgun with a barrel shorter than 18" on a public message board? Wow…Also you do realize that a shotgun with 00 buck tends to go through more walls and cover than a .223 bullet. Even your revolver slugs are more likely to exit your home than a .223 hollow point.
Go have your kids run at top speed for half a mile and then shoot as soon as they stop…tell me which one they are more accurate with, a pistol or a rifle. That semi replicates the loss of fine motor controls that happen when you have an adrenaline dump.
Why, Pistols are about 320 times as likely to be used to murder someone each year than any “assault weapon”. The speed limit statement is purely a straw man argument.
OK, pretty much any gun is good for a spree killing, there is little to no functional difference between an “assault weapon” and a “normal” firearm. And seeing it is a fake term that was invented DECADES after almost all of the firearms it is used to describe I would say your assumption on design has little to do with reality.
But thank you for admitting you are debating not with facts but just opinion.
And to provide a cite, here is a quote and a link to a document explaining why police officers prefer a .223 rifle for defense. Sure the distance and body armor requirements aren’t needed for self defense but to claim they small rifle caliber semi auto rifles are useless for self defense is false.
It also covers the topic of accuracy compared to pistols and why the rifle is a better idea.
Note: I am not pasting this to argue that pistols aren’t dangerous, I am posting this to counter the idea that .223 rifles are worthless for home defense which is stated as fact several times in this and other threads.
Fucking hypocrite telling me that my guns have no value other than shooting up places while you brag about an illegal gun with no intrinsic value other than to saw a man in half. That’s rich…
Frankly, this is one of the primary reasons for owning a gun. I’m not afraid of the criminals with guns. I’m afraid of the right-wing nut cases with guns.
What did you buy to defend yourself from the RW hordes? I saw a bunch of them right wingers at a Kiwanis meeting on my way home tonight. Never can be too careful.
The chance of a holocaust or imposition of tyranny in my lifetime is zero, imho. The chance of a temporary breakdown of law & order due to a natural disaster or some other cause is small, but nonzero. I have two weapons which use high-capacity magazines. They are my insurance; something to defend my food stash & family with on the slim probability that my part of the world becomes a temporary hell.
76 ATF officers and 3 helicopters to serve a warrant? They were trying to take the children off the property, however you feel about this religion, or any other religion for that matter means nothing, if two sheriffs showed up with a warrant, this would have been avoided.
False. I didn’t say they had no value; I said they were not needed for hunting or home defense. Obviously they can be used for both, but IMO they are overkill for both, unless you’re attacked by stampeding buffalo.
I didn’t brag, but it has a lot of advantages for home defense, especially compared to a rifle. Easier to stash, easier to grab, easier to handle in close quarters, more forgiving of aim when you’re in a hurry.
And only an idiot would load it with full power 00 buckshot. It’s very easy to load, or even buy off the shelf, shells that will ruin an assailant’s day without endangering the neighbors.
You are entitled to your opinion. In my opinion, it’s rich that your panties are in a wad because I’m not complying with a federal law, while you have been posting about your fantasies of shooting federal agents or troops if they make a law you disagree with.
Which, in light of what they’ve already done, seems pretty hard to do.
Thanks, appreciate the junior modding. I’d probably lay off if I gave a shit what you think at this point. You are the epitome of why gun owners have such a bad name. Harboring illegal weapons while coming off as some sort of expert due to your time in the service? All we as responsible gun owners need is for someone to break in to your house swipe that scatter gun and then shoot up a school. The rest of us take another unnecessary hit because you can’t follow the law.
No shit. I’d love to have one myself, but they are illegal in my state so I don’t.
I said nothing about buckshot. I load my legal shotgun with 2 shot myself.
And… I said nothing about shooting federal agents over laws that I disagree with either. Go ahead and cite where I did or I expect you to admit that it’s just more fucking bullshit coming from you. You got called out for being a felon and now you are stretching to attach the same level of stupid on me.
I don’t need any help saying stupid shit, it happens from time to time. You don’t need to make it up.
Oh, get over yourself. You and Rat Avatar are tag teaming me, so I’m just responding to all the anti-me posts at once, that’s all. I guess it was Ratso who was talking about my shotgun going through my walls, but big deal. I’m giving the Fiesta Bowl ten times the attention I’m giving this stupid debate.
God forbid you keep up. Try harder next time. Here is a clue, each post is clearly labeled with a name. That name is who typed it up. I have no problem linking posts by Tony Sinclair with the person who is a felon and enjoys telling us what guns are or are not worthy based upon his career in the service and teaching his family to shoot.
To paraphrase somebody, I’d probably try harder if I gave a shit what you think at this point. Have a good evening, and be sure not to saw people in half with your #2 birdshot.