Gun culture in US - Why?

With respect, I think that just looking at the proportions of gun ownership in the two countries is simply not sufficient to determine that there is no difference in gun culture between the United States and Canada.

Let’s start with constitutional provisions. In the United States, guns are so important in the political and popular culture, that the right to own guns is constitutionally entrenched. The Supreme Court of the United States has used that constitutional provision to strike down both gun registration and trigger locks, in Heller. Striking down the trigger locks provision is particularly significant, since it is premised on the idea that citizens have a constitutional right to own firearms for self-defence of their homes.

By contrast, in Canada, firearms are not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution. The Supreme Court of Canada has upheld extensive gun control, both registration of all firearms, and the requirement to hold a federal firearms permit: Reference re Firearms Act.

And then there’s the difference in federal laws regulating firearms. In Canada, to own a firearm, whether a long-arm or a handgun, you need to have a firearms permit, and you need to register it. All sales and transfers of firearms must be reported to the federal government.

And the laws are more strict with respect to handguns, which are classified as restricted weapons. To own a handgun, you need to get an additional permit. And even with a handgun permit, there are only three places you can lawfully possess the handgun: in your home, and at the firing range, plus in transit between the two. You cannot take the handgun anywhere else.

And even in your own home, you have to store the firearms in secure locations, such as a gun-safe, or with a trigger-lock. You can’t keep a loaded handgun or shotgun in your bedroom, or by the front door, for self-defence purposes. That certainly sounds to me to be quite different from the legal position in the US, at least as I understand it from posters on this board, and the attitude that guns are necessary for self-defence of one’s home.

Nor are there any concealed carry laws in Canada. Concealed carry is a federal offence. Nor can you carry a loaded long-gun or hand-gun in your vehicle.

All told, looking at the difference in constitutional and statutory provisions between the two countries, I would argue that the laws do demonstrate a substantial difference in attitudes towards guns, or “gun culture.”

Just as a point of curiosity - what other countries view guns so important to the political culture as to entrench gun ownership in their constitutions?

Just wanted to add - I forgot to mention that there are exceptions for handguns if required for one’s occupation (e.g. - guard of a Brink’s truck), and there is a provision for a hand-gun when needed for self-defence, but those are rarely granted - last stat I saw on that point was that there were at most a couple of hundred self-defence permits in the entire country.

This is, I believe, the crux of the argument: in the US, the uses of guns include self-defense; in Canada, the uses of guns do not include self-defense. This is the difference in culture.

All the Canadian shooters and gun owners I’ve known (and I’ve done a lot of shooting) are unanimous in their feeling that guns are for sporting purposes: for target shooting or for hunting, for example. Guns are not for protecting one’s home or person against others. That’s what police are for. (Whether you agree or disagree, this is the general feeling among the Canadian gun owners and shooters I’ve met.)

And yet we read, time and time again in the news and even on this very board, of Americans who have defended themselves in their homes with firearms (IIRC, catsix once claimed to have done so); or who admit to keeping firearms for home- or self-defense. This is something a Canadian gun owner would never think of doing.

Now, of course, there are those in Canada who own unlicensed/unregistered firearms, and who will use them–we have plenty of hoods, gangbangers, and other unsavory characters who make the headlines often enough for drive-by shootings and other gun violence. But based on experience, I feel that the Canadian gun owner who is law-abiding and in possession of legal firearms would never think of protecting him- or herself or property with a firearm. It may be part of the American culture, but it is definitely not a part of ours.

Are you saying that a Canadian with a gun would not defend his or her home with it if invaded?? They would just stand by and let the chips fall where they might and hope the police happen to come by, never even considering using the gun they have handy?

Seriously? I lived in Ottawa for a couple of years…and I dinna think that all Canadians feel about this the same as you do. Or maybe these Canadians were simply corrupted by America and Americans…

-XT

I suspect it is clumsily worded, perhaps he meant to say that the average Canadian isn’t as haunted by fears of home invasion as Americans seem to be.

Well, that would certainly be accurate.

-XT

By the way, you don’t have a gun? How about a large, flat-screen TV? Any loose piles of cash, by any chance?

Nope, no gun…yes, large screen TV (though better bring a couple friends to cart it out). Sorry, no large piles of cash laying about…

I do have some fuzzy bunny slippers however…and I’m not afraid to use em! So…trespass at your own peril…

-XT

That’s exactly what I’m saying. In my experience, the thought simply does not occur to Canadian gun owners to defend their home with guns. They do think to reach for the phone and call police, however.

There is a point to the fear of home invasion being less; but I have never known a Canadian legal gun owner to use a firearm in home defense or even to consider the idea. The gun owners of my acquaintance tend to feel it is better to lose some goods (which are usually insured and usually what any B&E guy is after) than to be up on criminal charges for misuse of a firearm.

Man, you guys got polite robbers.

Ours do home invasions (eg, b&e whilst persons are in their homes) and then engage in multicounty shootouts with the cops.
http://wcbstv.com/investigates/home.invasion.queens.2.687178.html
It’s the economy, I know, but Canada doesn’t have any of this?

Heh. I’m sure Monty Python has done a sketch on overly polite muggers with a stiff upper lip. (John Cleese, Eric Idle)

“Excuse me… I’m terribly sorry old chap… but may I trouble you for your wallet?”

“Oh dear me. No trouble at all, my good man. Errm… would it be all right if I might remove my driver’s permit first? Those things are such a trial to replace. God save the Beauracracy and all…”

“Ohhh, I’m afraid not. I’m must apologise, but those will fetch a pretty penny down in the right quarters. I have a family to support, to be honest. If you would be so kind…”

“Ohhh certainly. No problem. Here you go. Never hurts to ask, I always say.”

(I know we’re talking about Canada.)

Nevertheless, many Canadians are proud of their country’s participation in several wars (the War of 1812, World War I, World War II), and the Patriotes are still a relatively important symbol today (and usually represented holding a rifle). So the idea of firearms as a way to defend oneself against oppression is not unknown in Canada.

But Canadians seem to have this idea of their country being “peaceful” and an advocate for peace in the world. This idea is relatively recent, but could it be part of the reason why Canada has less of a gun culture than the US?

Are Americans really afraid of home invasions? I just don’t think about this eventuality at all. (I do live in an apartment, so I have neighbours close by.) Home invasions aren’t unheard of here, but they’re pretty uncommon.

Yeah, ignoring the fact that any firearm I might own in Canada cannot be legally used in self defense, to me preparing for a home invasion seems like preparing for asteroid strikes. (Not just in Nunavut, I’ve lived all over this country).

So how are Canadians suppose to defend themselves?

How do most Americans defend themselves?

I think I speak for everyone here in the U.S. when I say - Metal Penis.

*30 Rock joke - don’t get mad at me. :slight_smile:

Are you saying that your fight in high school is an example of why citizens should have guns? :confused:

So, it’s got nothing to do with the USA gaining everything it has by the use of force, and not wanting to let go of their favourite bargaining tool?

Phew, that’s a relief.

Clearly you believe private ownership of arms in the US to be a facet of US international relations. Please explain in detail why you believe this to be the case. Don’t skimp on the documented examples that support your assertion.