Goldwater has been dead for 27 years. You should probably get his dick out of your mouth.
Supporting domestic terrorism is just batshit crazy territory. Don’t like the way he does business, go ahead and boycott. Get a permit and picket. Just don’t fucking turn into a vigilante.
5 will get you 8 that Terr “doesn’t accept your definition” of vigilante either.
Yes, because the definition of “terrorism” that includes a lot of US government’s day to day operation just HAS to be correct.
Too bad, Humpty.
Actually, Terr’s argument is more like “I called up my neighbor and told him I’d shoot him if his damn dog kept barking. The damn dog kept barking – it’s the dog’s fault; go arrest the dog.”
That’s assuming he accepts your definition of the word “dog.”
The US goverrnment calls up business owners anonymously and threatens to burn their businesses down? I did not know that.
A non-sequitur. Read the post to which you responded again.
I do not accept your definitions of “non-seguitur”, “post”, “you” or “again”
I’ll accept for now the store owner’s claim that he was threatened; but until the person making the threats is identified, I do not accept it as given that he’s (?) a “gun nut ™.”
I can easily see some gun control advocate/group making the (anonymous) threat as some kind of “false flag” operation, in order to paint their opposition in the worst light possible and garner support for “smart gun” mandates.
I do support Mr. Raymond’s right to conduct his business in any lawfull manner he deems appropirate. If I could talk to him, I would politely, civilly, urge him to not sell these “smart guns” until such time as the various legislative mandates are repealed/reversed.
I would certainly not patronize his store for so much as a bottle of Hoppes #9 if he did proceed with selling these “smart guns.”
I have nothing at all against “smart guns,” but, given my particular situation, would not be interested in buying one, at least not for any time in the foreseeable future. But unless/until “smart gun” mandates are taken off the political chess-board, I’ll boycott any gun store I know to be selling them.
No. Oaktree Gun Club was going to sell a version but backed off after protest.
The problem is boycotting and putting public pressure on the store does nothing when the state government bans sales of all other types of firearms.
Has anyone told you that you’re a bit of a loon? Just asking. I mean, you’re certainly not morally reprehensible dickweed like Terr is - I disagree with your stance but it’s certainly not an immoral one - but to opt straight for ridiculous conspiracy theories? Why?
Hi Terr,
You seem like a nice guy, you have your heart in the right place. Why would you endorse " … they threatened to burn down his store, threatened him with unspecified violence … " when it amounts to violence against an individual who is innocent (as far as we know) of any wrongdoing? Those are Mob (organized crime) tactics. Intimidation of an innocent civilian through threat of violence is the behavior of criminals. You don’t support Mafia-like coercion, do you? IMO, you’re picking the wrong battle.
If you said you endorsed violence against the Authoritarian State to launch a Revolution, while I may disagree, I would see the parallel to our own Revolution of 240 years ago. But, there are civilized, peaceful ways to convince a merchant to not enable a law that arguably contradicts the Constitution. I realize that there is a precedent of “throwing tea in the harbor” to consider here, I don’t think violent threats against a law-abiding citizen is quite the same thing.
I frankly think you’re wasting your breathe arguing definitions of terms with a group that have no intention of a reasonable debate … this is the BBQ Pit, after all. Some of our detractors act as if feigning ignorance makes their own argument stronger. Respectfully, why don’t you reconsider your endorsement of threats of violence and arson against an individual?
It’s not loony to wait for evidence before drawing conclusions on a story reported in the news. Many sensational news stories come up and after digging the initial reported story changes substantially. That this story paints gun folks negatively shouldn’t change the default position of being skeptical.
As a registered voter/resident of Missouri, I can’t do much about NJ’s legislative process/agenda. I can only be aware of my state’s and federal politics and legislation, and vote accordingly.
As a consumer, I can, even here in Missouri, support (or deny support by boycotting) various local businesses; I “let my wallet be my (consumer) vote.”
Gosh, if only there was a way to challange laws that you think were unconstitutional. If only there as a court system set up to do something like that. Then there would be no excuse whatsoever to threaten violence against that gun shop owner.
On the Left-Dope Message Board? Sure. :sniff: Not that I put much stock in what some anonymous internet asshole has to say about me.
And I didn’t say I believed that some gun-control group did that thing I said; just that I could see it as a possibility. Note that I didn’t rank or otherwise give odds on its being true.
I can also see some angry gun onwer actually doing the thing as reported.
I can also see some disinterested third party doing it for shits-and-giggles, just to be a shit-disturber.
The upshot was that, for now, we have one man’s word on what was said to him (which I credited), but from an anonymous source, reported in the media. Until and if more facts become available, I’m reserving judgement on the complete veracity of the story.
But the rest of y’all go ahead and have your Two Minutes of Hate against us evil, depraved, insensitive, blood-thirsty, callous, murderous, neo-Nazi gun owners; I need a good laugh here on a slow Monday.
That would have to originate in New Jersey. Not much I can do about that.
And, I have zero influence over NJ’s courts, state or federal/district; nor of the U.S. Appeals Courts, or even U.S. Supreme Court, beyond voting for Missouri’s federal legislators.
Presumably the New Jersey thugs who threatened this guy do have some influence. They have a vote for their legislators and they can hire a lawyer to fight their case in court. Or they can act like the total assholes that they are and threaten to commit wanton acts of violence
Responses are a lot easier when all opposing arguments can be labeled as “hate”, aren’t they? The only thing approaching “hate” in this thread isn’t coming from the “Left Dope”.