Gun crimes are committed by handguns. (warning: pdf file)
If someone is going to commit a crime, they don’t want to tip off the fact that they intend to commit the crime. They want an easily-concealed weapon. Enter the handgun. Handguns are the weapon of choice when committing a crime. They’re also the number one weapon stolen because of their versatility.
I dunno. I’m trying to get us along.
ETA: if everything goes according to plan, I may go to the firing range this weekend.
Wow. I should be more careful around those dangerous handguns. They might try to mug me.
Yes, LOUNE, handguns are often used in crimes, as well as for self protection. They are also used by cops. Tell me, if you ban handguns, will you still allow police to carry them? How about off-duty police? What about retired police? Security guards? Or will you force them all to carry rifles?
No. Cops will only be able to carry high-velocity slingshots.
Of course cops will be able to have handguns.
Please don’t confuse my silence for agreement or satisfaction. I’ve had a busy week. In the real world. 
Oh, I understand busy weeks in the real world. Now that you’re here, what other concessions would you want?
Don’t have time for a long reply atm but wanted to address this part:
I think you are misunderstanding what I’m saying (or I wrote it badly). I’m not saying YOU are cowardly…I’m saying the tactics used by the anti-gun side have been cowardly…and they have been. They have essentially tried to circumvent an Amendment to the Constitution not through the process in place (i.e. amend the Amendment…or get rid of it) but through judicial trickery and by attempting to reinterperet it out of existance. I’d say that’s pretty cowardly yes…because the reason they are doing it is they know the majority of US citizens wouldn’t support their efforts to make the changes they want via the process in place to do so. If they HAD the numbers you can bet that like the 18th the 2nd would have been struck down or altered to more conform with the anti-gun crowds wishes.
Sorry if I offended you there…it wasn’t my intention to do so. Nor was it my intention to say you are in lock step with the anti-gun crowds positions nor their tactics.
I’ll try and respond to the meat of your post (including other things in this paragraph) when I get home…assuming I don’t start playing Fallout 3 for the rest of the weekend. If that happens all bets are off.
-XT
I gotcha now. I think it’s a bad comparison with the Second and the Eighteenth, by the way.
Damn Fallout 3. 3 games all came out in the same week and change that I want and I might be headed to Georgia. Left 4 Dead is rather tasty as well.
Why? BTW, I wasn’t doing a comparison there but illustrating how the process is used to modify or get rid of an Amendment that is flawed or no longer needed. However, I can see several comparisons that could be drawn so I’m curious why you think it’s a bad comparison.
And I’ve been on the road more or less for the last 2 weeks without a machine that can play any of them. So…tonight I’m going to be loading up Fallout 3 (unless my guild talks me into hopping on Warhammer tonight) for some Wastelands killing action. I’m trying to ignore the fact that the first mini-expansion for Sins comes out this week…as well as the Heavy Metal patch for Warhammer…
sigh So many games, so little time. I’m glad Empire won’t ship until February now…
-XT
What makes a security guard different from a normal citizen? What makes an off-duty police officer different from a normal citizen?
Are you telling me that they need handguns for some reason?
What bothers me is the book-nut fascination with intellectual grade literature. I can understand librarians and philosophers having that sort of stuff, but how could any one oppose “common sense” regulation of reading for normal people?
Ah. Then I misjudged what you were doing when you brought it up. I feel it’s a faulty comparison because one is legislating morality, which (to my knowledge) rarely, if ever, works.
I completely skipped Sins, and I regret that I did. Unfortunately, my desktop is at my parents’ house, which makes playing on it problematic. It’s also the only computer they have there, so they’re currently using it.
Yeah, Empire…swoon. I’m SO going to need a new graphics card. And money to buy it with.
Like I said. Not equivalent. I realize that from your example, banning “literary-grade” books is just like banning military-grade weapons. Unfortunately, the two aren’t equivalent.
Every time I read a car thread I see the comment cars are designed to transport people and every time I see it it irritates me. That means despite being a stock car racer and stuntman, driving hundreds of miles using different cars and motorcycles, I’ve never used a vehicle for it’s designed purpose and fervently hope that I never do.
I thought about it and came up with this definition: Vehicles are designed to accurately move in a direction.
…In a direction…to get to another place. Finish the thought and you’re right back where you started.
LOUNE, NASCAR is about moving in a direction to get to the same place. Mostly… left.
The inherent flaw in NASCAR. It can’t be racing when there’s no “right”.
So you take a dragster every place you go. All my cars can turn.
Cars were designed to transport people and things from one place to another.
Evel Knevel used motorcycles for jumping. They were still designed to take people from one place to another. That is what they are for.
Wiki…A wheeled motor vehicle for transporting passengers that also carries its own engine or motor.
Still waiting for your cites, Gonzo.
I’m also waiting for a compromise here.
You still don’t seem to grasp that you haven’t offered the pro-gun side anything that would consitute a “win” for them. You claim you want win-win, but offer nothing to make that possible. As I’ve said before, everything you want to “give” us is something we already have.
Come up with an offer of something that I don’t already have, and I’ll entertain the idea of compromise. If you don’t do that, every scenario is lose (me)-win (you) and I have no incentive to participate.
Since it is apparently important to you to come up with some compromise, you already have an incentive to make a serious offer.