Well, I appreciate your comment that it’s NOT ALL ABOUT GUNS, since we most of us understand that it’s NOT ALL ABOUT GUNS.
Herewith, all potential candidates shall consider themselves immediately disqualified if they advocate the positions on your list.
And so, it Shall Be.
Why did women I work with vote for Gore solely because he’s pro-choice? They asked me why I voted for Bush so I gave them my list, and their own list was " I’m afraid Bush would over turn Roe vs. Wade" period. Seems odd to me to pick one thing as most important, but if it works for them…
The Democrats are going to lose because they are going to put the wrong candidate against an otherwise beatable President.
Party’s lose when they do this.
Don’t be silly. Bush is going to beat himself. ANY DEM could beat him in 2004. Even Lieberman.
Only the most foolish members of Bush’s base will still be behind him in '04 because his committment to their issues is entirely rhetorical, and that sort of thing just can’t be hidden forever. Many of them have already figured it out, and they are gone for good as far as Bush is concerned.
And as for the Dem’s, they will literally vote for a yellow dog if that’s what it takes to get Bush out of office.
A dead man could beat Bush in '04.
So far, the polling data wouldn’t support those statements.
First off, Gallup places Bush’s ‘Overall Job Approval’ rating at 59%.
Then we have, “…The latest poll shows 51% of registered voters saying Bush, and 39% saying the Democrat.” (From the Gallup cite.)
And according to a
FNC/OD poll, Bush/Cheney would handily beat a hypothetical ‘dream team’ ticket of H.Clinton\A.Gore, much less one of the much-lesser known actual candidates.
I realise that there is much (misguided) dislike of GW here. But many of you are allowing your personal feeling about Bush taint your reason and judgement about who will be elected in '04.
And right now, the data strongly supports GW.
And his “definitely would vote for” number is 29%, vs 40% for “definitely will vote against”.
Bottom line. “overall job approval” don’t mean shit when the day comes to decide whether or not he gets to keep the job. This has always been true. My guess is that because a good 20% of respondants will ALWAYS say that they approve of the PRESIDENT, even if they don’t really like the guy who currently has the title.
Someone already mentioned that it appears that your dislike for Bush is tainting your view of the future. There is a large group of voters that would no sooner vote for a Democrat as they would vote for a chicken, regardless of who is the Republican candidate. Unless a Dem was to meet the criteria I mentioned in an earlier post, I would be in that group. There is a large group of voters who feel exactly the opposite as well. Even if Jesus Christ himself was running as a Republican, they wouldn’t vote for him. As always it is those who ride somewhere in the middle who will eventually make the final decision.
Guns were the deciding factor in last presidential election. Clinton admitted it as did everyone else. Gore threatened gun owners rights, Bush paid lip service. After three years, no new gun control legislation has been passed, so I am happy about that.
:rolleyes:
Man, I hate it when people make me use the rolleyes smiley!
Actually it only tends to happen during wartime. Regan and Clinton for example had about a 42-44% approval rating. George Bush Sr had like a 60% approval rating.
Keep on giving me the rolleyes on that issue. It’s the best way for it to happen again in 2004.
Cite, please? I’ve heard about a bajillion things blamed for the last election, but this is the first time I’ve heard guns blamed for it.
Daniel
Good point. However, if Bush were to drop out of the race tomorrow, and the GOP nod went to this Chicken I might vote for the chicken. He’s a supporter of gun rights, and has had military experience (though during the civil war) so that would earn him some points, right?
[sub] I hope you know I’m joking, I wouldn’t really vote for a cartoon chicken instead of a democrat. Unless that democrat is Gore. And besides, if I was going to elect a non-human, I’d rather have Space Ghost for president than anyone running, including Bush or Chicken Boo. Now I’m getting confused, is the chicken actually running or not? [/sub]
If Gore would have won his home state, Florida would not have been an issue.
Here are 6 cites
I dunno – I seem to recall 1995-6 polls showing a majority of respondents saying that they would vote for an unnamed Republican over Clinton.
Such poll results are misleading: hypothetical opponents have no specific negative traits, and when people are asked to compare an incumbent to such a hypothetical, they tend to overstate their dissatisfaction with the incumbent.
IMO, Bush’s performance has been less than stellar, but I’m not satisfied with any of the Democrats who’ve declared either.
OTOH, Wesley Clark could be quite interesting.
Um. Gore did win his home state. His home was in DC. Tennesee is just where he grew up.
Or if you prefer to define home state as ‘where you were born and spend your childhood’. Then W lost his home state too - Maine.
For a complete list of states that would have given Gore the election without Florida, see the list of all Bush states.
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…Bush’s performance has been less than stellar…**
You have a genius for droll understatement.
Too old to rock 'n roll, too young to die, too dumb to code. Sheeesh.
Odd, personally I was of the mind-set that Bush winning in '04 was a foregone conclusion. I see no strong candidates on the Democratic side, and without one, I highly doubt that an incumbant will be taken out of office, especially with the Iraq re-construction going on, and our foreign policy on the shitter.
I’m not a fan of Bush, but you have to hand it to the Republicans, they pulled off a major coup. Personally, I hope that the overall flavor of this thread is representative of the majority opinion of the American public, but I would highly doubt it. Bush is going to win unless there is a strong Democratic candidate, and the issues actually get addressed (economy, Iraq, terrorists, etc.) It seems that more and more, the goldfish-like memory of the American public is playing into the hands of the government and their media outlets.
sigh I’m such a cynic.
And where he served as a US Rep and Senator. Most of the links I posted mentioned that Tenn was considered his home state and it was shocking that he did not win it.
Who cares? The issue at hand is that Gore couldnt pull his own state. Bush won without Maine.
If Gore would have simply won what most consider his “home” state, he would be the President today. The links I provided each mention that one of the deciding factors in his loss of Tn (home state) Ar, and WV was due to his stand on gun issues.
History tells us he will be re-elected. He is a wartime president, however, this isn’t the same war that other presidents have fought. It should be interesting to see what goes down. Bush is a very ‘politcal’ politician. Notice all his speaches either have troops behind him, or very expensive graphics…that I’m sure we all paid for too. Plus, he is a money raising mo-fo.