"....Had a Falling-Out with Walt Disney"

I keep running across this phrase. I know that he had a reputation as a dictatorial leader, and some say he used to fire employees on the spot. But I’m surprised at the number of key people who left Disney rather than try to continue working with him. Or the number of key people he simply couldn’t compromise with. And, ironically, the number that came back to him later. In most cases the words “falling out” are used, although no reason for the breakup is generally given. Nor for the return.

Ub Iwerks – definitely the most important of this group. A better animator than Disney, he arguably created Mickey Mouse. He certainly drew him better than Walt. they knew each other even before their days at that incubator of cartoon art, the Kansas City Film ad Company, having previously worked together at another ad company, and having founded their own short-lived company. he was Disney’s chief animator at the short-lived Laugh-o-Gram company and later at yet another venture that became Disney’s studio in California. after the Oswald the Rabbit debacle (Iwerls designed Oswald, too) and the birth of Mickey Mouse, thinghs seemed to be going well, but Iwerks was annoyed that Disney wasn’t giving him credit for his work. The two separated in 1930, supposedly after Disney asked him to draw Mickey for a fan. He started his own studio, making Flip the Frog and Willie Whopper cartoons, but they were never a big success. Some critics claimed he was never really funny, despite his technical excellence (He hired Chuck Jones as a Cel Washer). he worked for Warner Brothers for a time, and in 1940 rejoined Disney. He invented many processes, including the animation multiplane camera.

Pat Powers – An animation producer who got sound recording going for animation. Disney used his service for his much-vaunted Steamboat Willie (which wasn’t the first sound cartoon, but was arguably the first successful one). You’d think, with sound setting Disney apart from other cartoon studios, that he’d want to keep Powers on his side. But they had a falling out shortly after over distribution profits.

Pinto Colvig – The original Voice of Goofy. Also Pluto. And two of the Seven Dwarfs. And Practical Pig of the Three Little Pigs. But he, too, had a “falling out” with Disney in 1937, and left the studio. He went to work for Fleischer, where he was voice of Gabby in Gulliver’s Travels and in subsequent shorts, and did other voices for the company. He returned to Disney in 1940, and resumed Goofy. Later on he was the original voice of Bozo the Clown on Capitol Records. There’s a story that it was because of his departure that Goofy had non-speaking roles in theatrical shorts like “The Art of Skiing”, but most of these were released after Colvig’s return. (Although the gestation period of cartoons is long, so it could be they were started before his return)

Cornelius Vanderbilt Wood – The Man Who Built Disneyland. Disney and he clashed even before Disneyland was finished, but it has to be admitted that he gave his all in building the park – his marriage was one casualty. Nevertheless, his name has been expunged from the Disney histories as completely as those of Stalin’s opponents were from Soviet history. Wood went on to build other amusement parks around the country. Most of these failed within a decade (Freedomland in New York; Pleasure Island near Boston), but Six Flags continues.

(Not going to derail a Disney thread, but 1920s-era Henry Ford had the exact same problem, much to GM’s delight.)

A trite observation, but Disney seems to have fallen out with people with uniformly cool names.

I’m not familiar with this.

Charles Mintz was also the name of the villain in Disney/Pixar’s movie Up!. This is not a coincidence. Mintz was another person who “had a falling out with Disney”, but in this case I fully understand it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MovieDetails/comments/7t83ql/charles_muntz_the_villain_in_pixars_up_is_named/

I worked with a couple of old Disney animators. According to them he just liked to have his own way and had no patience for disagreement. You could tell him your opinion, then he’d tell you that you were wrong, and everything would be fine if you never brought it up again. Both those guys stuck it out until after his death and the end of the traditional animation division at Disney, and they pointed out that Walt was actually right about the biggest issues, right up until the end Walt knew what the public wanted and his major expenditures on full length movies and Disneyland didn’t bankrupt the company as so many predicted.

Walt Kelly left Disney for comic book work after he was fired in the big animators’ strike of 1941.So did dozens of others, many of whom went on to become major names and create lasting works of their own.

There is no Hollywood studio head for which this wasn’t true. We’ve just forgotten all the other names but Disney lives on as a brand, a brand he worked so hard to create that he couldn’t tolerate anyone else removing a grain of the credit or adulation.

Wait, we forgot Jack Warner & Louis B. Mayer?
I’ll give you a lot of the other old studio heads are barely remembered or forgotten, but I think those two live on as legends.

Technically Howard Hughes also, but he is better known for other parts of his life.

Maybe everybody in this thread is a connoisseur of old movies, but I’d bet that out of 100 random people 99 would know Disney’s name and 1 would know any other mogul’s.

You know what …

That’s fair.

“You ever heard of the Warner Brothers?”

“They’re in movies, right?”

“Yeah!”

(That will get me to 2 of every hundred)

/win

:wink:

“And, their first names?”

Yakko, Wakko and their sister Dot. :slight_smile:

(I remember Jack Warner, but I had to look up Albert, Harry and Sam.)

Jack is the only one I remember too. But he rewrote studio history as I recall to help that along.

when did universal pick up walter lantz and woody woodpecker and the crew …?

also somehow disney got the rights back to oswald as he was in the 2 “epic mickey” video games

They traded sportscaster Al Michaels to NBC for the rights.

This sounds like a joke, but it isn’t. For anyone who doesn’t know the story:

Al Michaels was working for ABC Sports, which is owned by Disney. He was interested in moving to NBC Sports, which (along with Universal) is owned by Comcast. In exchange for the rights to Oswald, among other things, Disney agreed to release Michaels from his contract, so that NBC/Universal would be free to hire him.

The timeline is something like this.

Disney created Oswald the Lucky Rabbit for Universal in 1927. Universal’s Charles Mintz hired all of Disney’s animators in Feb. 1928. Lantz, who never worked for Disney, was hired by Mintz later that year. He won the rights to Oswald in a game of poker. He started his own company separate from Universal in 1935 still making Oswald pictures. Woody Woodpecker came along in 1940.

I think one just goes by Pop.

mmm