Halloween -- how international is it?

My imprecise understanding of Halloween is that it originated in pagan traditions in Europe, but was reborn as a modern commercialized holiday [ostensibly] for kids in the U.S. – and that development, for the most part, took place mostly since WWII. But that’s just my WAG. (Anybody know how long trick-or-treating has been a tradition here?)

How is Halloween observed in other countries? Is it largely confined to traditional [Mummer-type?] festivities in Europe, or is the trick-or-treating for kids catching on? How about American-style costume parties for the adults? What about in Latin America & elsewhere? (I know, I know: Mexico already has a Day of the Dead, but I don’t know much about that. Is it for everyone, or just for adults or kids?)

As far as I know we’ve celebrated Hallowe’en in the UK since ancient times – this site gives a decent summary of it. When I was a kid it was a much smaller celebration than it is today, though. We did have a little bit of trick-or-treating, but my mother gave us a short list of neighbours we were allowed to pester, and we were happy with a very small gift of sweets (I’ll avoid the temptation to turn this post into the Monty Python Yorkshiremen sketch). There were some traditional foods to be eaten and games to be played (e.g. bobbing for apples), but there was no costume party for adults.

These days the whole thing has been hijacked by commercial interests (wouldn’t you guess) so the kids are greedier and there are costume parties for the grown-ups. It’s often criticised as being an unwelcome American import, but I think people are more annoyed because it’s yet another “Hallmark holiday” rather than us having no local tradition of it.

I should point out that we have Guy Fawkes’ (=Bonfire) Night on November 5th, which competes with Hallowe’en in the calendar. Personally, I’m not going to any Hallowe’en party tonight, but am travelling from London to see some friends in Sheffield for a fireworks party on Saturday, as I have done for many years. Due to my own religious/political stance I have never burnt an effigy of Guy Fawkes on the fire in my life, but all the party guests are expected to bring a topical effigy to set alight. Take a wild guess who we’ll be burning this year ;).

Interestingly, the timing of both these events is a hijack of the pagan Samhain festival, and I have noticed some compalints from hard-core Christian types that it’s a bad idea to encourage the kids to dress up as witches.

When I was living in Germany 15 years ago, hardly anybody there had even heard of Halloween, let alone celebrate/party.
Now, in phone calls, I hear that it has grown into a major party night for adults and a lot of young kids are dressing up for parties at schools and private homes.
I don’t think they are going Trick or Treating just yet, but wait a few years.
From what I have heard, the tradition has started thanks to the Halloween films, references to Halloween in other American films and TV shows, and of course, the Peanuts comic strip.
Plus, it’s a good excuse to party.

when I was growing up in the English Midlands in the 50’s Halloween just did not figure at all in the calender.As Everton said Bonfire Night was the only thing we observed. It was only when living in East Anglia in to 70’s (with USAF personnel nearby) that I became aware of Holloween at all.

My family was stationed in Germany from 1976-79, in Darmstadt, and Halloween was a fairly big deal there. In fact, we were not far from Frankenstein’s Castle, and every year, a local civic group put together a fun “haunted house”-type thing there. Maybe it was just because of the location, though, and wasn’t a nationwide thing.

(I live in Southern England) My door was knocked twice tonight by gangs of oddly dressed youths, on both occasions, I responded in the traditional manner…

…I picked up the ringleader by the ears, pressed my nose against his and shouted “THIS IS ENGLAND, NOT AMERICA!” and sent him flying down the front path.
[sub](not really; I just didn’t answer the door)[/sub]

The very little Australians know about Halloween is what we have seen on American sitcoms.

I’ve only once had kids knocking on the door asking for lollies (Australian version of candy).

They’re keeping the hitchhikers company under the floorboards now.

Someone else may have a better answer than me, but Mexico’s Day of the Dead is based on a mixture of Precolumbian Aztec customs and Spanish Catholic All Saints Day.

As far as I can tell, many of my foreign friends derive much of their knowledge about American Halloween tradition from * The Simpsons *.

Over here in Japan it’s fairly well known from movies and TV. However, it’s not widly practiced outside the foreign community. The foreign community’s practice of Halloween is mostly confined to costume parties. Large numbers of non-American foreigners do take part. As do many Japanese associated with the foreign scene.

Dia de los Muertos (Day of the Dead) is a mixture of the Aztec festivals and religious ceremonies that fell during the Aztec month of Miccailhuitontli and the Catholic festivals of All Saints Day (november 1) and All Souls Day (November 2). The traditions are quite different from Halloween.

http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/feature/daydeadindex.html
http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/muertos.html
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~rjsalvad/scmfaq/muertos.html

Come on everybody! We’re here to fight ignorance.

This is a VERY commonly held view, but as pointed out in this thread (Evidence for the Gregory IV / Samhain connection?) there is limited evidence supporting the claim.
It is a very interesting discussion, and APB quotes a lengthy passage from The Stations of the Sun: a History of the Ritual Year in Britain, by one of the leading authorities on the subject, Ronald Hutton of the University of Bristol, published by Oxford University Press in 1996.
APBs conclusion is:

So, please let’s stop repeating the old Samhain/Halloween connection, without scrutinising any evidence for or against.

Regarding the OP. In Switzerland it Halloween was more or less unknown 15 years ago, but now it is a major commercial circus. However, one of the major chains (Globus) said yesterday (On local radio) that they will not do Halloween next year. It’s not worth the effort, and they’d rather start the Christmas season sooner.

Young adults here have been celebrating it as a costume-party night for about 7 or 8 years, at a guess. Otherwise it was mostly confined to the expat communities until last year. This year flodjunior went trick-or-treating for the first time; we made our first jack-o-lanterns and put them in the kitchen windows, and about a dozen kids rang our doorbell.

It’s definitely seen as an American import, and the kids are mostly familiar with it from Donald Duck comics and, to a lesser extent, Peanuts (they’ve always had trouble translating the Great Pumpkin stories). In fact one of our neighbors commented to me that this was “the first ‘Donald’ Halloween” she’d ever seen.

Side note: All Saints’ Day, on the other hand, has been quietly marked in Norway as long as anyone can remember. People decorate the family graves and prepare them for winter. Whether it’s a holdover from pre-Reformation times or a more modern custom, however, seems to be hotly debated.

Without the tradition, Halloween in Australia is usually just opportunism. This year there were tribes of kids walking the streets about 4pm (being summer there’s another 3 hours of sunlight) in school uniform demanding lollies. They were told to bugger off. However, any that appeared in costume were treated appropriately. It’s a festival worth fostering, even if our seasons are the wrong way round. I had a jack-o-lantern and a ghost “protecting” my porch.

[sub]BTW Motog, if you are interested in aquainting yourself with other Aussies on these boards, you might care to visit Dopers Downunder[/sub]

Well what do you know I registered months ago and forgot. Well, its about time I put my lurking days behind me and contibuted something.

It is very easy to dismiss folk traditions in the face of historical research. However, you have to remember that histories are often written by people with desire for things to be seen their way. When you think about it the foundations of British history, such as Bede, were writing centuries after the events and simply documenting the Folk traditions. The sensible view is that folk stories generally have some seed of truth which survives, if somewhat garbled by the generations of retelling. Historians can be awfully pig headed in defending their discipline, even when confronted with archeological evidence that contradicts it. Story telling appears to have been central to the Celtic religion, giving the druid classes power over the ordinary people, as keepers of the knowledge. A well tried technique for peasant control. Some say the Druids explicitly banned writing, a sensible tactic and supported by the lack of a Celtic script. What we do have, from GB is the surviving ‘Welsh’ poems. Most of these are full of metaphors, that we no longer understand, and many have been bastardised by Christianity, but we can tell a lot about Celtic values from them.

The Celts believed in a duality of worlds. The ‘other’ world was populated by fairies, elves, pixies whatever you want to call them. These were not the little toadstool squatting beasts of popular myth, but human looking, only more so. At least fairy lords did, presumably their was a whole under class of scummy peasant fairies, probably less scummy than their human counterparts. They are described as taller, better looking and more noble than us. They are credited with magical powers, in our world, but the converse is also true, we gained powers when in their world. Now, people and things were always crossing the divide between the worlds at opportune moments ( the Fisher King’s castle is one example). However, the night before Samhain was the time of the year when the party-wall was particularly thin and all sorts of mischievous elves could sneak across and play tricks; putting hens off laying, turning milk sour that sort of thing. The idea was that you leave out gifts for the elves to show your respect for them (Elves were big on respect) and hopefully they will leave you alone.

No Night of the Dead, no witches on broomsticks, just mischief! It would appear that a lot of the current iconography associated with Halloween comes form the Church demonising Celtic traditions, e.g. practitioners of traditional herbal healing becoming ‘witches’.

The Celtic New Year or Birth of the Year, as they regarded it, was in April. Samhain is the death of the year and was celebrated (it that’s the right word) with bonfires, moved to Guy Fawkes night in England. This tradition survives in Ireland, where it is a bit difficult to link it with the celebrating of the thwarting of a Catholic plot in England. The Celts were big on the death/rebirth cycle thing, the two events to not need to coincide, though.

There’s also a lot of evidence that ‘Trick or Treating’ originated in Ireland and was commercialised in the US. A friend of mine practiced Trick or treating well over 30 years ago in southern England. In the northern Midlands, where I grew up, it was gangs of youths, with sheets over their heads, up to no good. No tricks ‘bangers’ featured a lot, though.

I think it’s probably time I shut up now.

The responses from UK residents seem to be confusing. This is not suprising as (on the mainland) halloween is a strictly North England/Scotland and Welsh thing.
In the North West of England, it is often known as “mischief night”. This squares geographically with the observations above on the Welsh tradition. North East England has the story that on the eve of All Saints Day those less fortunate and restless spirits come out for the night; therefore the lanterns are to scare away such things not represent monsters and ghosts. There are also “trick or treat” sessions, but usually no-one is dressed as a monster. This is close to the Scottish tradition.

I can speak a bit about the eastern part of France, where halloween was not celebrated until a few years ago. In this case it arrived from the US, and so its all plastic toys (starts weeks too early) etc.

If you feel that you have solid evidence to back that up, please come over to this thread(Evidence for the Gregory IV / Samhain connection?). The current concensus is that the Halloween/Samhain connection is very weak at the best.

But any strong evidence for the contrary is very welcome.

One leading feminist literary critic reviews The Stations of the Sun.

http://www.ihrinfo.ac.uk/ihr/reviews/diane.html

Well my main point was meant to be that the all the talk about days of the dead and the Celtic New Year, was a bit misguided. But if we have to drag the Church into it:

Granted the Celtic evidence is weak compared to the Church, but that is because church records are very good compared to Celtic records which are non-existant. Evidence for the church taking over pagan religous sites and customs is, however, very good - look at South America. You just won’t find them officially admitting it. I’m constantly suprised by otherwise inteligent sounding historians banging on about the lack of written evidence. It would often be more suprising if the written evidence did exist. Even in more recent times, the lives and beliefs of ordinary people do not get recorded.

The question is where did iconography come from? It’s certainly not Christian and I just don’t buy that someone in the 18th or 19th centuries just invented it. That would have been recorded. There is also too much emphasis being put on the Roman Church. The Saxons in the North and West were christianised by the Celtic church, not Rome.

We also know that the Celts, like most ancient people, paid particular attention to the Sun, Moon and Stars. It seems to be quite odd that they would fail to notice the equinox. Combined with the harvest, the end of the growing season and the start of lean times some sort of festival would seem appropriate. It’s also extreemly likely that the Saxons added their own folk law to the mix.

At the end of the day the evidence is just not there (or it may be hidden in the Vatican vaults) to make a call one way or the other. It seems to me that there is too much circumstantial evidince pointing to some non-christian event here to just dismiss it.

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What makes you think that the iconography isn’t ultimately Christian? The revisionist argument is that it is merely the mutation or subversion of standard late-medieval Christian imagery. Even if one wants to interpret such imagery as anti-Christian (itself a huge assumption), it does not follow that it was originally pre-Christian as well. To do so might be to underestimate the imagination and creativity of later generations.

The point about the claim that the Samhain hypothesis was invented in the nineteenth century is that this process is recorded. Its origins can be very precisely located in a particular intellectual milieu. The idea was new when Rhys and Frazer suggested it. One should therefore see it either as a brilliant piece of historical re-interpretation which is important precisely because the tradition it recovered had barely survived at all or as a wild guess which now seems, well, very Victorian.

To get back to my earlier reference to the recent interest by Germans celebrating Halloween, a friend called last night (Halloween) from Berlin and I asked him about this.
He said the local news had just reported that sales of Pumpkins had reached an all time high in Berlin, attributed to the increased interest in Halloween parties and the “new” fad of carving pumpkins.
Sort of like many years ago when the US started taking that new “fad” of Christmas trees from Germany…maybe it’ll catch on.

I confirm, being from France, that we never celebrated Halloween until a few years ago. Now my family tells me there are decorations everywhere in stores, bars have costume parties, etc. The kids don’t treak or treat though.

I heard last night on the history channel that Halloween was a mix of the celtic tradition of honnoring the dead (all Saints day in Europe is Nov. 1st) and the Romans feast for the harvest godess. The Romans invading further up North in Europe “mixed” the tow, i.e. celebrating the dead and offering apples and stuff like that. Modern time transformed apples into candies!
They also said " All Saints Day" was alos knows as “All Hallows day” then “All Hallows Evening” thus becoming “Halloween”