I did NOT post what you have “quoted” me as saying!!!
ETA–you have made a mistake, as the ONLY thing I have posted in this thread was about Richard Wagner, not Hank Williams
Yeah, but did Hank Williams use steroids?
(drop & roll)
I’ve edited post 37 so the second quote is attributed to F. U. Shakespeare, who posted it, and not MPB in Salt Lake.
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Yea, sorry about that… I was using the add quote feature, and they got stacked up on me and I edited the coding incorrectly.
My apologies.
A good number of country stars (including Hank Williams & The Carter Family) learned a bunch of music from African-Americans–directly. Learn more here.
(That article doesn’t go into detail about Hank, who got his first music training from a black street singer.)
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Cool, and thanks to Marley23 for fixing—For the record, I like Hank Williams music, even if he was not the kind of a guy you would want as a sunday-school superintendant…
devilsknew, you’re asking me couple of different things.
Are the songs talking to a little bit of melancholy self-destructiveness that I (and many of us) share with Hank? Absolutely. Why else would I love them so much? I guess there’s some irony there. And I don’t see how I’m oblivious to this: I started this thread.
Is it hypocritical to revel in the sadness Williams songs evoked, while disapproving of the things he did to others? I say no.
Is the fact that I drink alcohol when doing so hypocritical? Only if you don’t distinguish between use and abuse. My drinking would be accurately described as moderate. I have to drive home from these gigs, and I perform solo, so there’s an awful lot of mental alertness required. In any event, I know people who drink a lot more than me who don’t going around shooting at people.
bridget, I knew about the Carters and Leslie Riddle. And yes, you hear Hank and know he had black influences.
MPB, I was a little concerned on your behalf when I saw that incorrect quoting. I thought that it might be a singularly uncool quote to falsely attribute to someone ‘in Salt Lake’.
I think Hank’s mentor was named Tee-tot. Not sure about the spelling or the real name, but that was what the guy was called. Seems Hank really looked up to him and Hank’s mom was appreciative of the positive male influence.
EDIT: I just Googled it. His name was Rufus Payne and he probably got Hank started drinking at an early age.
So Tee-tot was no Tee-totaler.
This is absolutely stunning.
A good Hank biography is Lovesick Blues, which is quite sad, but from memory well researched.
Band name! 
Sorry, couldn’t resist messing with your quote a bit, Ogre!
I do agree with what you wrote, BTW!
Quasi
Not much to add on Williams other than one of my favorite anecdotes about him and Audrey before a judge:
Audrey: I ain’t gonna stay married to a man who shoots at me!
Hank: Well that’s just fine cause I ain’t gonna stay married to no woman makes me have to shoot at her!
But something I thought was funny:
When Ike Turner died a couple of years ago the man who delivered one of his eulogies referred to What’s Love Got to Do With It? as a “piece of trash movie” who was unfairly maligned and in reality was a great human being, and he got an ovation. The eulogist: Phil Spector. (Cite.)
My “difficulty reconciling the artist and the art” personalities are less musicians (who I pretty much assume to be bad people until proven otherwise- I think you probably have to be mean to succeed in that business and expect to learn one day that though Dolly Parton seems like a wonderful human being she’s really responsible for 34 murders) than actors and movie makers. Woody Allen is high on the list (less for the allegations he was boffing his adopted daughter, because it’s well established Soon Yi did not see him as a father figure or even stepfather figure, than for the other allegations of his narcissism where his kids and others are concerned), or Roman Polanski (though admittedly my favorite of his films were made before the rape) or the “brilliant actors but effing nuts” group like Brando, Crowe, and… well, too many to list.
Ultimately though I have the same view of it as I do of the clothes I’m wearing. If I’m wearing a hand knitted sweater that I like the color of and it keeps me warm, then it really doesn’t make any difference if the woman who knitted and who I never met is serving a life sentence for infanticide or if she bakes special cookies just for orphan squirrels, or both.
Addicts aren’t necessarily shitty people, but there are shitty people in the world, and some of them are addicts.
I have sympathy for alchoholics - they have a hard problem to deal with. But, seriously - I’m not an alcoholic, but I’ve been all kinds of drunk, from buzzed to nearly passed out. And I have never, ever, ever had the slightest interest in raising a hand to another human being, no matter how drunk I got. That’s because I’m a decent human being. I don’t think Hank Williams was abusive because he was an alcoholic. I think he was a violent ass because he was a shitty human being.
Ummmm. You were being sarcastic here, right?
If not, please provide a cite.
If I’ve been whooshed, wouldn’t be the first time.
Thanks
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I suppose that raises the question of whether people who do “shitty” things are “shitty” people?
Also - If people do “shitty” things when they are also alcoholic.
This.
So you’re saying if people do “shitty” things it follows that they are “shitty” people?
I don’t know if he his, but I will. Without reservation. People who do shitty things are, in fact, shitty people.