[Lucius Malfoy]
“The “Dark Lord” was such a disappointment, such a fool. So much power and yet such small ideas on what to do with it. I will not make the same mistake.”
[/Lucius Malfoy]
Harry Potter is filling out paperwork all day and dealing with bureaucracy? Of course he’s facing down evil on a day to day basis!
ok, but the weakest bit of Rowling’s added on bit (which IMO should have been expunged) is that the scar was only a link between Voldemort and Harry. Of course it’s not going to twinge or whatever–Voldy’s moldy. But that doesn’t mean other Evil Doers aren’t out there, plotting and planning…
I can see Lucius doing that, but I see him more using his resources to influence people and put obstacles in Harry’s way–kind of a passive/aggressive Death Eater.
I have a few questions about the Harry vs. Voldy struggle, particularly relating to what I mention in 7A and 7B below. Why was Voldemort unable to kill Harry with Lucius Malfoy’s wand, and why was Harry able to return from death after Voldemort killed him? I have listed a synopsis of their main encounters below.
- Voldemort wants to kill young Harry Potter because of some stupid prophecy. (Voldemort really should have learned not to be so superstitious.) Harry’s mother Lily refuses to step aside and let Voldemort kill Harry. Even though she had the choice to run away, she sacrificed her life without attempting to defend herself. This conferred upon Harry a magical protection that would only end once he became an adult or left his family’s home. Voldemort, after getting rid of Lily, stupidly tries to kill Harry without realizing that Harry would be protected by the death of Lilly, and Voldemort dies.[ol]
[li]Philosopher’s Stone - Harry Potter battles Voldemort who is possessing the body of Quirrell. Quirrell tries to touch Harry but realizes he can’t (because of Lily’s protection?). Quirrell/Voldemort is going to use a wand to kill Harry, but Harry grabs Quirrell on the face, Quirrell screams from the pain, Harry faints from the pain in his scar, but - luckily for him! - Dumbledore arrives at the last minute and presumably kills Quirrell (or simply prevents Quirrell from attacking Harry and Quirrell dies from the wounds inflicted by Harry.)[/li][li]Chamber of Secrets - Harry Potter encounters a Horcrux of Voldemort (in the form of Tom Riddle) who is feeding on Ginny Weasley to slowly become a physical body again. The Horcrux doesn’t use a wand against Harry (because he thinks the Basilisk can do it) but Harry, with the help of Fawkes, kills the basilisk, and then, by a pure stroke of luck, happens to use on the Horcrux / diary one of the rare things that can destroy a Horcrux, a basilisk fang, right before Tom Riddle Jr. is able to use Harry’s wand against Harry.[/li][li]Prisoner of Azkaban - No Voldemort / Harry confrontation.[/li][li]Goblet of Fire - Voldemort comes back to life using a potion that includes Harry Potter’s blood as an ingredient. Harry Potter duels against Voldemort. Fortunately for Harry, he is (unbeknownst to Voldemort or to himself) a Voldemort horcrux, which means that when Harry chose a wand (or was chosen by a wand) in Philosopher’s Stone, the wand was a “twin core” wand with Voldemort’s wand - Harry and Voldemort have a close psychic relationship. Twin core wands don’t like fighting each other, so Harry and Voldemort get trapped in a weird contest of wills and Harry “wins” the wand battle because his soul is undamaged. Ghosts of people murdered by Voldemort come out of Voldemort’s wand (the Prior Incantanto spell comes into play) and distract Voldemort, giving Harry just enough time to run back and grab the Triwizard Cup/Portkey and return to Hogwarts.[/li][li]Order of the Phoenix - Dumbledore prevents Voldemort from killing Harry Potter in a wizard duel. Voldemort tries to possess Harry in the hope that Dumbledore will kill Harry Potter just to get to Voldemort. Voldemort knows he would survive this because of his horcruxes, in the same way that he survived the death of Quirrell in Philosopher’s Stone. And maybe Voldemort is hoping that he is stronger now and after the death of Harry he will return directly to his current body. In any event, Voldemort’s maimed soul cannot remain in contact with a pure loving soul such as Harry’s without suffering intolerable pain, and Voldemort runs away crying after just a few moments.[/li][li]Half-Blood Prince - No Voldemort / Harry confrontation.[/li][li]Deathly Hallows - here is where it gets complicated.[/li][list=A]
[li]Harry Potter leaves the Dursley’s house as an adult. So Lily Potter’s original protection no longer applies (?) Voldemort attacks Harry Potter with Lucius Malfoy’s wand while Harry Potter is being flown away from Privet Drive in Sirius’ old flying motorcycle, driven by Hagrid. Lucius Malfoy’s wand doesn’t work against Harry. That’s because … (what?) …, since Voldemort used Harry’s blood in the potion in Goblet of Fire - “neither can live while the other survives”. If Harry defends himself, Voldemort can’t kill him.[/li][li]Voldemort “kills” Harry in the Forbidden Forest during a reprieve in the battle of Hogwarts. Harry Potter dies because he does not attempt to defend himself - if he had defended himself Voldemort couldn’t kill him, see 7A. By giving up his life voluntarily, when he had a choice, Harry gave protection to the people at Hogwarts, in the same way that Lily’s death gave protection to Harry. (This is why, when the battle resumes, Voldemort is unable to permanently harm any of his opponents.) Harry is not really dead and has a chance to return to his body … why exactly?[/li]Voldemort and Harry engage in a final duel. Voldemort has the Elder wand, Harry Potter has Draco Malfoy’s old wand. Harry has guessed that he (Harry) is the true master of the Elder Wand since he (Harry) defeated Draco in the Malfoy mansion by grabbing Draco’s wand out of Draco’s hand. No one at the time realized the importance of this seemingly trivial act. A huge stroke of luck for Harry! Voldemort tries the Avada Kedavra spell anyway, but the Elder wand refuses to work against its true master, the curse is deflected by Harry’s defense, rebounds on Voldemort, and Voldemort is dead for reals. (All his horcruxes are gone at this point: diary destroyed by Harry in Chamber of Secrets; ring destroyed by Dumbledore in Half-Blood Prince;locket destroyed by Ron in Deathly Hallows; cup destroyed by Hermione in Deathly Hallows; tiara destroyed by Crabbe in Deathly Hallows;the (unplanned) Potter horcrux destroyed by Voldemort in Deathly Hallows; snake killed by Neville in Deathly Hallows.)[/ol][/list]
I read the book a year ago, but from what I remember, what happened here was similar to what happened with their duel in book 4. Which means that somehow Lucius’s wand now belonged to Voldemort and therefore wouldn’t work against its brother (step-brother?) wand…or something.
I think this is because Harry didn’t really die; what Voldemort killed was the horcrux. Since Harry essentially had two souls in him, and since avada kedavra doesn’t actually have any physical effect but apparently just directly extinguishes the soul, the Voldy soul was killed, and Harry just briefly passed out and had an expositional dream sequence.
Rita Skeeter was also an unregistered animagus, a beetle. This is discovered by Hermione towards the end of Goblet of Fire.
Which is why I mentioned her. 
[QUOTE=Arnold Winkelried]
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[li]Harry Potter leaves the Dursley’s house as an adult. So Lily Potter’s original protection no longer applies (?) Voldemort attacks Harry Potter with Lucius Malfoy’s wand while Harry Potter is being flown away from Privet Drive in Sirius’ old flying motorcycle, driven by Hagrid. Lucius Malfoy’s wand doesn’t work against Harry. That’s because … (what?) …, since Voldemort used Harry’s blood in the potion in Goblet of Fire - “neither can live while the other survives”. If Harry defends himself, Voldemort can’t kill him. [/li][/Quote]
Not quite. When the wand were forced to duel at the end of book 4, the subsequent “connection” - i.e. the battle of wills and golden thread - forged a bond between the two wands, mimicking the bond between Harry and Voldemort. Harry have a piece of Voldemort’s soul, and Voldemort’s blood contains traces of Harry’s protection conferred by Lily. The wands perform as similar exchange (Dumbly/Rowling is unclear - saying that HP and Voldy have traveled far beyond known wand-lore and deep magic by being so closely connected).
In any case, Voldy tries to circumvent the twin core problem by using another wand. Harry’s wand however regurgitates some of Voldemort’s magic back at it - which it had imbibed during the duel of the twin wands.
It didn’t have anything to do with whether Harry defended himself or not, merely that the want reacted powerfully to the presence of the ownder of the wand to which it was now irrevocably twinned, and gave him a taste of his own medicine.
Yumble’s right on this. Imagine Harry’s, what, soul-space? as a box with two small circles inside, one bigger than the other. The large one represents Harry’s soul (colour it pure shining white in your mind’s eye if you like), while the smaller one (make it a slimy black, just for kicks) is the piece of Voldemort’s soul that broke off and latched on to Harry when Voldy tried to kill him all those years ago. The smaller fragment is parasitic on the bigger one, in that it needs the box (i.e. Harry himself to sustain itself. It is weaker, since it is only a damaged fragment as opposed to a pure shining soul.
When Voldy tries to kill Harry, two things happen. Because Harry willing went to his death, instead of obliterating the box and everything within it regardless of soul etc etc, the power enters the box. Once inside, it can choose between the two circles inside, and since one is pure and one is compromised, it obliterates the compromised one, i.e. Voldy’s soul-fragment. Since there’s a connection between the two, Harry’s soul gets thrown into Limbo, and had he wanted to he could have chosen to die (go on). but he decides to come back instead.
My understanding of this is Riddle Jr. couldn’t use the wand because he wasn’t fully physically in the world. He could pick up the wand, which had no real effect other than moving the wand about, but not use it since he didn’t have enough of a “presence” in the physical world. I could be wrong on that though; it’s been a while since I read the books.
I don’t think this is strictly true. I seem to remember there being two protections at work - the protection from his mother dying to save him, and the protection from living in the house of a family member, which would last until he was of age, and as long as he could call it his home. It is the latter protection that is removed when he leaves the Dursley house.
Correct. It was one of multiple protections. The house protection shielded him and the home from attack. The ‘blood’ protection kept Voldemort from being able to touch him…but did not protect him in other ways.
I’m a dumbass. I even quoted the passage where you said it! I think I misread “Skeeter” as “Sirius”.
I’ll just be over here in the corner reading GoF.