I live on near minimum SS (I worked under the table whenever I could), SSI (govt supplement for my lack of industry/taxes paid during my ‘productive’ years), Medicare/caid, food stamps and cash allowance and several other state perks, I’m stylin’ at $.08 on the dollar.
I walk and bike from my HUD apt (rent capped at 30% of SS) to all the amenities of a well-appointed, consumer oriented, summer destination rural town with wifi everywhere. After expenses, I have $100/month to piss away.
All my favorite drugs and toys, good health and a comfortable place to sit among friends, the American Dream.
But when the dollar falls to 0, who am I? The Fed will raise the question one of these days.
Can you show that CETA was “initiated” by Nixon, rather than spun off or morphed from previous works programs from the early sixties, and the thirties before that?
I’m sure you know presidents sign bills all the time passing into law Congressional acts, tax increases and so forth that they oppose philosophically. Now I have no idea whether Nixon thought CETA was a good program or not, but the fact that he signed the act into law does not in and of itself prove that it was a program he wanted.
And then overseen by the incredibly incompetent Carter administration for approximately two years by the time the situation in my wife’s office occurred.
Okay, then, do it. Show that conditions I described in the police dispatchers’ office that my wife worked in from 1978 to 1980 were bogus.
The only thing you have to hang your hat on in order to claim that my statement was bogus is the fact that you apparently know of someone in the CETA program who was fired. Big deal. The CETA employees in my wife’s office could not be compelled to perform any work, they could not be fired for not doing any work, and they were paid more than the city workers who were doing all the work. All of this is exactly as I said and it’s all accurate as it was related to me by my wife and some of her co-workers at the time. The fact that you can dredge up the name of some CETA worker or another who may actually have been fired somewhere doesn’t negate anything I’ve said. And neither does it disprove in the slightest my contention that Democrats will put unnecessary employees on the payroll and then use those jobs to claim they’ve reduced unemployment.
Or is it really your contention that the economy under Carter and a congress that had been in the hands of Democrats for decades, which saw inflation and interest rates higher than at any time since WWII and which made the term “stagflation” (slow economic growth, inflation and high unemployment) a household word actually generated 2,600,000 jobs per year?
Not quite. Yes, it’s true that my wife’s experiences with CETA employees coincided with the Carter administration, but believe me she’d have much preferred that hadn’t been so. As to your allusion that I’m lying about the time frame in order to make Democrats look bad, I’ll have to pass on what I really ought to say as this isn’t the Pit.
I didn’t actually ‘use it’ to slam Democrats; I merely stated the facts. The facts are what slam the Democrats, not my having brought them up.
I agree. You really need to do better next time as you have absolutely no way of knowing whether the conditions I described at my wife’s office were bogus or not. You have no standing whatsoever to refer to them that way and anyone reading your posts would see that instantly.
I linked to his damned signing statement. He happily shares the the genesis of the program, and it wasn’t something he opposed but signed, it’s something he appears to be rather proud of.
Drat, I just spent quite a bit of time composing a response to DMC’s last post and now it appears I won’t be able to post it.
I suppose the subject is off-topic though, but just in case let me ask if the observations I made with regard to New Deal Democrat’s job creation statistics vs. the Democrat’s history of putting people on the government payroll through taxpayer funded jobs programs and then using those jobs to claim reductions in unemployment are still acceptable to post in this thread. After all, NDD made claims stating that more jobs were created by Carter than by Reagan, and I think it’s appropriate to challenge the ways in which this may have been accomplished.
I’ll happily refrain from continuing this side topic, as it was simply a response to some unnecessary sniping, but which anecdotes are you referring to on my part? I’ve provided links to the signing statement, and will happily provide links to court cases for CETA terminations (it’s not as if a bunch of people post “I was fired 35 years ago” on the internet, so I used court cases where the termination was contested, as those are widely available). Otherwise, I’m not aware of making any claims whatsoever, especially not anecdotal ones.
He didn’t “make claims.” He showed statistics that proved more jobs were created by one administration compared to another.
You are welcome to prove that the stats are false. But instead you stated your opinion that when a Democrat creates jobs it’s because of government expansion. But when a Republican creates jobs, it’s good old fashioned honest hard working labour.
All your doing is stating your opinion that Republicans are good and Democrats are bad. You trust that a Republican will do what he thinks is right. So even when shown Nixon happily created government jobs, you’re default was to assume he didn’t want to. Was their a gun to his head?
Go to the Bureau of Labor Statistics and find out what jobs in what segments grew or declined from 1977-1980 and 1981-1988. Anecdotes abourt CETA simply do not provide that information.
Obviously extremely high inflation in the short term will hurt people on fixed incomes. But unless you’re a lot older than you look, you’re not trying to pay for 2010 goods with 1913 labour. Long term lowish inflation has resulted in an OMG 95%! drop in the value of the dollar, but our standard of living has increased the whole while.
Now, if we were looking at inflation rates akin to those in the late 70’s and early 80’s, I wouldn’t be so sanguine.
It wasn’t a personal insult, it was an observation that Sam is doing the exact same thing that december did until he eventually got banned for it. Including deliberately distorting the contents of cites.
IIRC, he’d also “retire from the thread” once he got called on it.
