So explain why Obama’s the only president of the United States ever to have shown his birth certificate. Did Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, and all the rest not have them? Because unlike Obama, they never showed them, and you just said that not having one would be the only reason for not showing them.
Yeah, but there is a big difference between John McCain and obama.
John McCain was an American citizen.
John McCain was proud to be an American citizen.
John McCain eagerly, quickly, and thoroughly gave us all the documentation and proof of his birth records. He also gave us his military, school, and medical records.
John McCain had/has nothing to hide. John McCain was proud to show us proof of his American citizenship.
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Don: please show me where John McCain put his birth certificate out in public for everyone to view.
And what do you say to the fact that there is no record, other than this mysterious birth certificate that only the McCain campaign would show selected people, that McCain was born at the hospital he says he was born at?
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It is not relevant to the conversation where McCain was born as what ever is legally decided in obama’s case would also apply to him or to any one else for that matter running for president or VP.
As we say in law, one case at a time. McCain did make his complete medical records known to the press and any one else for observation. The USA base in Panama was a territory of the USA and/or under USA jurisdiction, and never had duel citizenship so he is qualified. The fact his mom may have used a local hobital for birthing is not relavant.
But I do not have a problem examining McCain in full detail on another thread, but I’m running out time to post here for a while. To imply how one person is so bad, then every can be the same, is not sound reasoning. I posted below of fraud committed by a VP hiding his duel citizenship (Chester Arthur) that does not make it legal for every one to do the same. Fraud can happen in the high office and not some conspiracy theory either.
We should put these presidential actors, and politicians, under a microscope in full detail and hammer them hard beyond measure in doubt and suspicion, that is what the obama lovers refuse to do, and the general public gets it right up the butt every time. Just look at Waters and Rangel and my point is made.
Don
obama never showed us his birth certificate.
obama does not have a birth certificate
OK, I’ve already posted a link to Obama’s birth certificate. If McCain showed his, too, then give us a link.
Right. It couldn’t just be that most of those people are dead, could it? Or that people who could legitimately claim to be there might have forgotten the birth of a infant FORTY-NINE YEARS AGO? How many infants do you remember seeing forty-nine years ago? What were their names? Who were their parents?
Please direct me to books written by the hospital staff who delivered Hilary Clinton. Bill Clinton? George W. Bush? George Bush, Sr.? Ronald Reagan? John McCain? Hell, find me an interview with one of those people.
Simple question. Why would Republican governor Linda Lingle acknowledge that Obama was born in Hawaii and that his original birth certificate is genuine if it were not so?
Are you serious? You actually believe this horseshit? Not that you’re actually going to care about facts, but the state of Hawaii has confirmed that it has the archived, original birth certificate, and there were two birth announcements in local hospitals at the time.
How do you know?
No, his father’s citizenship doesn’t prevent him from being an American citizen.
Right, according to the rules at the time, he would not be a citizen if born in Kenya to Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr, becausse the law required one parent to have been resident in the US for at least 5 years after 14 years of age, and Ann Dunham was 3 months from her 19th birthday. Therefore when Barry was born she had only resided in the United states for 4 years and 9 months after she turned 14.
But again, where’s the evidence that he was born outside the United States? Where are the airline tickets that prove 18 year old student Ann Dunham hopped on a plane while massively pregnant, traveled to a foreign country, gave birth there, called her parents to tell them to post a birth announcement in the Honolulu paper, then quickly traveled back to Hawaii?
She’d have to have had a damn good reason to travel outside the United States to give birth. Maybe she knew that her son would grow up to run for president, but because she hated America so much, she wanted him to be ineligible, so when he did become president he’d really secretly be ineligible and therefore taint America forever. Not like all those other presidents who loved America, because he was born outside America little Barry would hate America.
A “Certificate of Live Birth” is not a “birth certificate”.
Honolulu handed out Certificates of Live Birth like candy on Halloween. obama’s Indonesian-born sister has a Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth, the president of China-born Sun Yet Sen has a Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth.
In 1961 all you had to do was for Stanley’s mother to walk into Honolulu City Hall and ask for one for her Kenyan born grandson and they would have issued a Certificate of Live Birth for obama.
I don’t doubt that the Certificate of Live Birth is real. If I was the grandma of a baby born in Kenya, If I was Stanley, I also would go down to the Honoluly City Hall and get a Certificate of Live birth for my foreign born grandson. It would be the first thing I would do. The second thing I would do is to make sure the Honolulu newspaper prints a birth announcement of my grandson.
Of course you would. (Why would you do it? Sssh! That’s not important!) Stanley was his mother’s name and his grandfather’s name, not his grandmothers. But if you’re going to be wrong about everything you might as well get the little details wrong, too.
Are you going to offer citations for any of this, or are we supposed to take your word for it? Sun Yat Sen died in 1925, so I’m not seeing how that is in any way relevant.
Oh, sorry, you’d prefer a certificate of dead birth?
Hospital records are kept forever.
So are birth certificates.
Plane tickets and phone records are not kept forever.
The hospital basement would have all the detail you need for anyone actually born in a Honolulu hospital in 1961.
Honolulu City Hall would also have a copy of a “birth certificate” of anyone actually born in Hawaii.
Besides, you are not making any sense. There would be no reason for Stanley to rush back to Hawaii. Why would Stanley want to rush back to Hawaii at all? There was nothing in Hawaii for Stanley. If I remember right, Stanley went to Washington to go to school after obama’s birth… not to Hawaii.
Again, how do you know? Did you see his birth certificate?
When did he do that? Can you post a link that show’s a copy of John McCain’s birth certificate? When you say John McCain gave us all the documentation and proof of his birth records, where are they? Can I find them somewhere?
One more thing. The fact that John McCain was born in a hospital on a US military base did not give him US citizenship, because a US military base is not American soil. If a Panamanian woman gave birth in that same hospital, her child would be born in Panama, not America, and would not be an American citizen.
John McCain is an American citizen because both his parents were American citizens, although he was born in a foreign country. Or so it is claimed. I’ve never seen his birth certificate. How do I know his birth certificate wasn’t forged? How do I know the adult “John McCain” is the same baby listed on the birth certificate?
But since you claim that John McCain provided the American people proof of his citizenship, perhaps you could go ahead and show me the proof. Plus the proof for Hillary, Bill, George, George Sr, Reagan, Goldwater, Nixon, and so on. All of them were proud Americans who were proud of the land of their birth, so where are their birth certificates?
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The first few presidents of the U.S., from George Washington on, were British subjects by birth. Does anyone think that made them ineligible to be elected as president?
In addition, not only was Chester Arthur a dual citizen (his father was naturalised as American after his birth), but there is a real possibility that he was born in Canada, not in Vermont. Why don’t the birthers worry about Arthur’s suitability to be elected as President?
So a governor with an R in front of the name makes for valid authority? We can drag the river for all the untold hundreds of republicans that have drowned in their own lies and slime, so what is the point?
I have this magic pet rock that can fly around the room all by itself—and NO you cannot see it, the pet rock only likes me— HAHA you would think I’m crazy and rightly so.
To satisfy Article II, Section 1, of the constitution we need to see the damn paperwork examined by professionals. Is the Hawaiian governor a professional at determining counterfeit and forgery? I did not think so.
Obama has brought this high standard of suspicion on to himself. He could have gone to Hawaii, brought out the document, put it before the press and/or had a professional unbiased examiner take a look at it, and NONE of this would have happened. As long as he refuses to duck and weave around, play political propaganda with the courts, and the public, the worse it gets for him.
I will relent on the fact, not on hearsay and political BS.
You buy and order a TV to be brought to your home, and on inspection you find a big scratch on the case—you had better bet you will examine the entire appliance for any more faults and shipping damage. That is simply human nature to do, and nothing wrong with it. After all the devil is in the details.
Don
I was born in Hawaii in 1954, a few years before President Obama.
Last year I got in a rather heated debate about this issue on another forum so I decided to order a new (replacement) birth certificate (I actually do still have the original - a rather primitive document, to say the least).
And, this is what mine (the replacement) has on it:
Certificate of Live Birth (across the top center)
State of Hawaii Certificate number
Department of Health
State of Hawaii seal (in the middle between the certificate number and the other things mentioned in the upper left corner)
Child’s name (along the left border)
Date of birth Hour of birth Sex
City, town or location of birth Island of birth
Mother’s maiden name
Mother’s race
Father’s name
Father’s race
Date filed by registrar
And, on the bottom, it says “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”
No doctors, hospitals, or any of that crap is on my birth certificate…issued from the State of Hawaii.
The form was revised in 10/08, after Obama’s birth certificate was plastered all over the net so there are a few minor changes in the form (I can’t remember exactly what they are). And, no, that doesn’t prove a conspiracy - state agencies change forms all the time. I should know - I used to work as a secretary for a state agency.
But, you know what? None of the obvious proof matters. The crazies will try to twist the words around that “certificate of live birth” is not the same as “birth certificate”…blah, blah, blah. Well, mine says “certificate of live birth” and it also states it is a legal document, binding in any court proceeding.
So, there.
Yes it is.
Cite?
The state of Hawaii has a;lready confirmed that it has the original, archived birth certificate. We know the name of the hopsital where he was born. We know the name of the doctor (now deceased, which is why he isn’t giving interviews) who delivered him.
There are two birth announcements in local newspapers at the time.
It was not possible for the family to have done any of these things. You are misinformed. The birth announcements in the newspapers came from info provided by the hospitals, not the families, and your belief that anybody could get a certificate of live birth in Hawaii is completee moonshine.
I wonder where you think he WAS born, and what your evidence is.