[quote=“Don123, post:273, topic:505877”]
Since you have actually presented essentially zero proof of any of your claims, and appear to be factually wrong on several of them (such as whether holding dual citizenship makes one ineligible to run for President) I’d say the answer is “quite a lot”.
Oh yeah, and claiming that anyone who questions your specious claims is an Obama-worshipper doesn’t really do a while lot to strengthen your argument.
My own Certificate of Live Birth, which I used last year to get my US passport, says that my father is a man my mother didn’t even meet until I was three years old. Does that mean I can’t be president?
At this point? He’s looked silly since the beginning, as have all of the Birthers.
Can I just ask, Don123, aside from the legal technicalities involved with respect to presidential qualifications, why does it matter where someone is born? It seems like a rather silly point to attempt to invalidate a presidency on such technical grounds rather than on grounds of competency. I have a cousin born in Malaysia, but he’s been here his entire life except for a few months. Frankly, I think the fact that he’s studied foreign relations at Georgetown makes him more qualified to be president than a lot of people who have spent their entire lives here.
This whole “birth certificate” argument gives the appearance that that Obama detractors are arguing backwards from a conclusion, and finding a legal path to illegitimate someone that they simply don’t like on the grounds of personal philosophy. In response, I would ask not that you find proof of deception on Obama’s part, but rather that you intellectually justify the need for someone to be born on US soil for him to be considered valid for presidency.
Could someone point me to where Don shows that a “Certificate of Live Birth” isn’t a “Birth Certificate”?
It seems like if your moronic conspiracy theory hitches on some fact you should probably mention it a lot.
Ok so here is how it happened
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that’s when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and “all the records we could get our hands on” according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn’t release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama’s citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: “[We] couldn’t get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we’ve found out it’s pretty irrelevant for the outside world.” The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641
Don:
Ha ha ha, you could not make this crap up if you tried. So from the text above, here Obama is running for president with NO idea that he has to show proof of birth in the USA—but yet he has a law degree from Harvard.
Obama is giving speeches and raising money, kissing babes I mean babies, and all of a sudden—from the evil right whites— comes a strange thought, HEY were you born in the USA?
Obama responds, “UDUAH— UH –uh, YES!” (OH HELL WHERE DID I PUT THAT DAMN PAPER WORK?”)
So his staff gets into high gear to clean up Obama’s office, and no birth certificate found.
So Obama’s staff, that flushes his toilet, contacts the State of Hawaii and request (in an orgasmic heated rush) all the paper work they have on Obama. And bingo, up pops a photo copy of a life birth certificate, as if we did not know Obama was a live birth.
But a strange thing happened on the way to press meeting with the NEW and improved digital copy of a live birth certificate— the code numbers got blacked out and NO ONE saw it! It must be God’s will! It is a secret code! NO one will notice this big blacked out area on the corner.
Obama did not even look at the certificate and if he did, they do not teach how to read numbers at Harvard law school so it must be Bush’s fault. Whites are such racist. The RUSH did it! You know the radio guy.
But NO matter the certificate was posted on the net for the world to see and the damned, evil-minded, white-right said, “HEY, what is that big black blotch on the corner of the paper, there are supposed to be code numbers.”
Numbers, OH you want numbers— not a problem. Obama is 53 point ahead in the polls. NO the other numbers, the ones God made disappear from the birth certificate, because we were to busy and not watching it. — OH those numbers, we put them some where—Oh here they are as Obama pulls out phone book and give out zip codes, or what ever popped into his Harvard trained mind. But it is not relivant, the stupid public will believe anything.
It is a good thing Obama is a good community organizer, maybe he could organize his paper work knowing that running for president will require proof of birth in the USA. But what is a Harvard Law Graduate, that sat on the Harvard law Review news paper to do?
What can we say other than, Obama is so heavenly minded he is no earthly good. He had NO idea before making public his birth certificate to call the state of Hawaii (more than once if they do not answer the phone at lunch time) and ask— what are those numbers on the corner of the paper? Is that a code that only God knows about, and NO human can mention it?
Harvard does not teach how to do research to students that arrive by Affirmative Action. And by the way–you sure you have the date right this time?
Don
You know, you were actually starting to make some sense. Then you took this great steaming dump on your own arguments, and we’re back where we started.
I dunno. Since Don seems to have this “fact,” is this not proof that Palin and her cronies lied? 
Thank you for agreeing that this is not made up.
They later released a copy that did not have the numbers blacked out. I already linked to a picture of it.
NM
Show it to who? Since when ahs any Presidential candidate had to produce his birth certificate? Mccain didn’t. Palin didn’t. GWB never did. neither did Reagan. Where do you get this crap? How could Obama have forseen this particular crackpot conspiracy theory before it happened? It has absolutely no evidentiary basis, after all, and there is no more reason to question his birthplace than to question anyone else’s who’s ever run.
Was the US Department of State in on the conspiracy in 1967? Answer that.
Question: if Obama is not a natural-born citizen, when did he become a citizen?
Of course they were. The Illuminati are four steps ahead of you. Always.
Because he doesn’t have to show proof of birth in the USA, no more than any presidential candidate before him had to.
He’s an illegal alien. Dude jumped the fence between Kenya and Hawaii.
So you are saying they are limited to taking their vote to the other person, and that is it.
I would not call that a vetting process as is commonly understood. But rather than argue the definition of a word, I will fall back to what the federal judge said (I wish I could remember his name). The entire argument is moot at this point; the USA people have accepted Obama’s citizenship regardless of the facts or omissions.
This might be a point of historical interest in a hundred years but no one, not the courts, nor congress, is going to do anything about it now. Indeed by the USA legal system in the USA nothing can be done about it; the federal and state courts deny jurisdiction, the Supreme Court will not try the case though they have looked at two of the many cases, and no citizen or organization has legal standing.
The consequences of deciding the case, Obama v. presidential qualification, would affect the immigration laws of the USA, and the courts just don’t have the balls for that.
To rule against Obama would put the court in charge of removing a president and I believe that power is left up to congress. It would be a show down fight between them. That is not going to happen, lie and hide for the better good of the nation is what you end up with.
Look, we only about two years left, if we do not like Obama then we vote against him, and that is about as far as it goes.
Pleasure taking to you.
Don
Are you incapable of reading? There is no official “birth certificate release protocol” that American presidential candidates have to follow.
Do you have any evidence that Obama cheated on his wife? That is what you’re suggesting isn’t it? Are you honest enough to admit that?
He posted the document when people bitched about it. Why are you characterizing it like that? Other presidents haven’t had to post their birth certificates. Why would he think he had to?
Many people lose their birth certificates. Especially when moving or when a parent dies early. Why is ordering a new birth certificate something that is sinister? Do you understand that ordering new birth certificates happens all the time?
Why are you making pathetic attacks like this? Is your feeling that your argument is so weak that you have to bolster it with childish statements that aren’t true?
Can you cite where the rush is orgasmic? Or is that some silly thing you are making up? Why can’t you state your argument without saying things that you have no evidence for?
Also, do you know that a certificate of live birth is a birth certificate? Why don’t you know that? You’ve been shown it multiple times in this thread.
Are you able to learn and assimilate new information once you’ve made up your mind?
They didn’t know if it was okay to post that. The un-redacted version is here.
You should know that just because you state something with sinister phrasing, that doesn’t make it sinister. Do you know that?
Do you understand that what you wrote there is incoherent? Why do you resort to gibberish to make you case? Is it that you don’t have an intelligent case to make?
Did you not read the thing you cited? The person posting the document didn’t know if it was okay to post those numbers. I’m a graphic designer. I’ve scanned and posted documents and I might have made the same call.
Just because you don’t understand what’s going on doesn’t mean it’s sinister. It means you need to make an honest effort, but you aren’t doing that, you’re grasping at straws.
They covered up the numbers because they thought they might be confidential. This was done by his campaign graphic designers. Are you unable to understand this? Why are you suggesting that Obama is stupid? How does that make your point? If anything, Obama is surely smart enough to understand that he was born in America.
Why don’t you click hereif you want to see the numbers.
Members of the stupid public will believe that Obama isn’t an American citizen, that much is certain.
Are you upset that Obama is accomplished? Why else the childish attacks?
Presidents aren’t required to post birth certificates. It is because of hysterical conspiracy theorists like you that he posted it. If you wouldn’t have redacted the text, that’s because you weren’t smart enough to think that it might be confidential. In any case, the un-redacted document is available above.
That’s just pathetic. Your argument isn’t being laughed at because of some infatuation with Obama, it’s being laughed at because someone so utterly unequipped to debate is flailing around promulgating it.
In 100 years this fantasy might turn into a full-blown religion. It’s pretty close as it is, and I figure that as the historical players die off and some of the facts become more obscure Birtherism could become a kooky little church.
God hates Certificates of Live Birth!
The Certificate of Live Birth is the Muslim version of a Birth Certificate. Hmm…
