So wait… You post a link to a site that rationally, coherently, utterly and thoroughly torpedoes your own argument, then attempt to refute it with a barely literate, unintelligible rant about babies and toilets and zip codes and affirmative action?
It’s a wonder you aren’t changing more minds here.
Look, here in the U-nited States of America, the real enforcers of the rules are the American people. If we really don’t think Obama is qualified to be president, then there’s a pretty easy way to not make him president.
If you can’t convince people not to vote for him because he’s not an American citizen, well, it turns out you lost that argument. Take it up with the American people. You haven’t convinced anyone here, so I don’t know why you think it will work better next time. Obama was put on the ballot in 50 states by 50 state election authorities, so none of them doubted his credentials either. He could be impeached by congress if you convince them that he’s ineligible, but there’s no movement there, even among republicans (because they’re too scared that the blacks will riot, I guess).
So either get the election authorities involved to not put him on the ballot, or get the courts involved to rule him ineligible, or get the voters not to vote for him, or get the electors not to vote for him, or get congress to impeach him. If you can’t do any of those things, well, Obama is president.
Of course, that doesn’t mean you’re right. Of course the reason you couldn’t do any of those things is because you’re wrong. I’m just saying that even if you were right, to prevent Obama from becoming president you would have had to do one of those things, and you haven’t.
The fact that we’ve discovered an inconsistency that raises questions all but proves that Palin was actually born in Kenya.
I always wondered why they put in that clause. I think it was to keep any European prince from being installed as “president” of the U.S. – the country was newly independent then and very touchy on the point.
Not any European prince. Specifically, King George, who in some circles was still quite popular.
You know, post #286 could be used in a textbook on how not to argue a convincing case.
Seriously, Don, walk away, man, just walk away.
Don:
So any one from the world at large can come to the USA and run for president without constitutional restraints---- OK, I didn’t know that. (ha ha ha) You must part of that new world order; all international boundaries no longer exist.
You must be an illegal Mexican in the USA—ha ha ha
You are funny. And YES the senate had voted on a resolution that on examining the evidence declared McCain is eligible for the high office.
Now why don’t they do the same for obama? I know it is the evil, racist, white right conspiracy set out to dethrone God-obama.
Talk about closing your ears to the facts–
By Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 2, 2008
The Senate has unanimously declared John McCain a natural-born citizen, eligible to be president of the United States.
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…that McCain is a natural-born citizen because the United States held sovereignty over the Panama Canal Zone at the time of his birth, on Aug. 29, 1936; because he was born on a U.S. military base; and because his parents were U.S. citizens.
(snip)
…his father was legaly deployed to Panama while on active military duty.
(snip)
…A senior official of the McCain campaign showed a reporter a copy of the senator’s birth certificate issued by Canal Zone health authorities, recording his birth in the Coco Solo “family hospital.”
Don continues:
So we have the hands on copy of McCain’s birth records and the Senate has unanimously (including all the Democrats) declared John McCain a natural-born citizen eligible to be president of the United States.
OK I’m satisfied, I’m just trying to help you out by doing your home work.
Don
Because in McCain’s case, there was a legitimate question as to whether he was a natural-born citizen, but in Obama’s case, there isn’t. It’s the same reason the Senate never resolved that Reagan was eligible, or Clinton, or either Bush.
And members of Congress had the power to challenge the validity of the election of President Obama when the Electoral College presented their votes. They did not.
Therefore, the issue is closed. Congress, by not acting to stop the vote count, has made its determination that the election is valid. Obama is the President. Full stop.
By the way, when you begin your posts with “Don:” who are you addressing?
Does anyone know if there’s something like Poe’s Law for conservative nutballism?
Yes, anyone can run for president. The Constitution does not set any limits on who can run. Some people are ineglible to serve, which might make it pointless for them to run and prevents them from being put on the ballot in some states. But they can run if they so choose. The Socialist Workers Party candidate in 2008 was Roger Calero, who was born in Nicaragua and is a resident alien, not a citizen. And just for good measure, he’s a convicted felon. He got about 7,200 votes in the general election.
Since when is the Hawaiian state statute a right wing conspiracy blog?
Enquiring minds want to know.
Don
Pay close attention to the following Hawaiian legal statute:
“[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
I already pointed out that your cite says “birth certificate,” not “certificate of live birth.” And you also ignored his main point - which has been made by many other posters (including me):
You also said there should be lots of people who were involved in the birth who are selling their stories. A cite was then provided showing that the obstetrician who delivered him is dead, and there is a teacher who discussed the birth with the obstetrician at the time and remembers the conversation.
That does not authorize the director of health to certify as born in Hawaii any baby who wasn’t. What is your point?
Oh get it, I’m learning stuff all the time.
So one person robs a bank, so every can do it–its LEGAL!
It sounds like you support Waters and Rangel.
Don
This could not be more irrelevant. If you want to convince someone, try sticking to your argument.
Nope. Not Rangel, anyway. I don’t know much about Waters’ situation.
You forgot the last past.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
The “1982” annotation is the year that that law was passed. Moreover, Obama’s birth certificate was filed on August 8, 1961, four days after his birth. Moreover moreover, that does absolutely nothing to explain why the birth certificate (excuse me, the “certification of live birth”) shows his date of birth to be August 4, 1961, at 7:24 PM, on the island of Oahu, in the city of Honolulu.
Don, you said in Post 286:
You should be able to answer the following simple questions, then:
To what legal authority must a candidate for President present his or her proof of birth in the USA?
At what point in the process of running for President must this be done?
Was this done for Presidents Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton and Bush 43?
For the first two questions, and since your credibility as an authority on this subject is highly suspect, I would prefer to see a reference to a specific document or legislative item. Thanks in advance.
Wow–you still trotting out this bull Susanann? I am still waiting for your response from last time you trotted this out. Don’t you get embarrassed about not backing up your story? So again as asked below, can you provide a cite to what you posted above and below? I have been waiting patiently since February for you to back up your claims. Methinks I will be waiting awhile longer don’t you?
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12116914&postcount=34
Why himself, of course. He’s the only person here that believes his blather. Except Susanann, who is probably just another of the voices in his head.