Section 44-12b-f of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961 clarifies the immateriality of testimony from directors of the Hawaii State Department of Health when resolving the validity of a presidential candidate’s citizenship.
Prove me wrong!
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Some fast notes as I am running out time, and it may be a few days before I can get back to you.
The citations may not be legally correct as written, but close enough to find the material. But you are wanting a web site address and not a citation—ha ha.
As to your comment, “So either put up or shut up,” you do your own damned home work, you are not paying me to teach a class. I set the trail marker, you can follow it if you like or get the hell off.
I have made repeated statements that the consequences of Obama not being born in Hawaii are not relevant to the topic that is, was Obama physically born in Hawaii? As that is what this thread has come down to. My intent is only to show reasonable doubt.
It is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the courts are not going to touch this case, NO ONE in the country has legal standing present the case, that is ridicules but yet shown; and absurd (mind blowing) as it sounds YES, federal courts have said the case is out of their jurisdiction, unbelievable but that is what they said. The US Supreme court looked at it twice, but there is NO legal option that they should hear the case, so they did no.
I have referenced all this since I have joined this thread. GO back and look.
What is left is truth by authority by people in Washington DC, like Waters and Rangle, that are only repeating what Obama has said, and the Hawaiian governor repeating what his understudy said, and the understudy said yeah I saw it, it is a legal document. But OH NO we cannot show it to you, Hell that would be evidence, and you cannot have that.
YOU SAY YOU want the full force of sound reasoning, then you should KNOW truth by authority is the least valuable in any argument. According you should admit—YOU DO NOT KNOW if Obama was born in Hawaii or not, that is if you want to be self honest. If you want to lie to yourself for political or racial reasons have at it, I would not dare try to stop you.
Don
This is not how an argument works. You made an assertion, and if you expect anybody to even think about believing you, you need to back it up. I already did a web search on the purported law and found nothing except quotes on Birther blogs. I did not see any citation from the state of Hawaii. So I did your homework for you and it looks like you’ve got nothing.
You’re failing.
They have no relevance to this issue.
The Governor of Hawaii is a woman.
Correct, at long last. (So did another relevant authority, the man who stamped the copy of the document.)
Because Hawaii law does not allow it.
I believe you’re referring to appeals to authority. But since the birth certificate has been made public and so have contemporary newspaper announcements, it’s not just an appeal to authority.
Well unfortunately when you make a wild claim it is on you to support it. If I claimed that President Obama (see how easy it is to give proper title to elected officials?) was born in England or Spain or the Moon, it is then my responsibility to present my case in a factual manner that can be verified by an independent source. What you stated above is that you have NOT read the laws, how do you know they are close enough if you haven’t read them? It is supposition at best. I do not believe those laws exist or I would be able to find them somewhere online especially if they go to the heart of your position.
You have failed my friend, and unfortunately failed pretty miserably. You have proven by your actions that you are NOT after the truth at all. If you were you would be willing to stand by your position. You have abandoned your position by saying it is my responsiblity to prove your case! What kind of Mango horseshit is this?
Your Mangos are killing people. People get cancer from them. Medical Reference ~56-15 in the American Medical Journal supports this. That is the equivalent to what you gave me. Look it up Don–I have done the trail marker. But you know what–that isn’t enough. My claim (like yours) is outlandish and not supported by facts, so citing some vague journal doesn’t cut it here on the Dope.
Frankly if you worked for me and brought me such weak evidence I would be forced to fire you–mango’s be damned.
I am also off for a few days on vacation with my family. Maybe by then you or Susanann can actually provide some evidence (real evidence that can be independently verified) to support your position. Somehow I doubt it.
What we have here is a situation where:
Evidence Obama was born in Hawaii:[ul]
[li]A certified birth certificate.[/li][li]The word of Hawaii’s Republican Governor who was backing McCain.[/li][li]The word of Hawaii’s records guy.[/li][li]Two birth notices done at the time in Hawaiian newspapers.[/li][li]His mother had never been out of the country until after he was born.[/li][li]His immediate family’s word.[/li][/ul]
Evidence Obama was born outside the country:[ul]
[li]Don’s visceral hate and disdain for Obama.[/li][/ul]
This isn’t an argument. This is you ranting incoherently against the moon.
Going someplace without internet access, eh? Convenient.
PS, the link to your glorified blogger site still doesn’t work for me. Not that it matters if it merely recapitulates the *truthiness *that you yourself have displayed for our amusement.
You have “referenced” nothing beyond your own racist [del]and crackpot[/del] opinions and those of your fellow conspiracy theorists.
Have fun, and be sure to check in when you get back. We’ll all be waiting for another session of play-time.
If there was any possible truth to the accusations of Obama’s birth the RNC would have been all over it. McCain himself dismissed the allegations as groundless. Did McCain have his tongue up Obama’s ass?
I voted for McCain and I think the birther stuff is retarded.
ha ha ha, what a bucket of crap and you do not know that minors can enter into a contract. ha ha ha
Hange around you do make me giggle. You are better than a black that bashes his own race and thinks it funny.
Don
McCain does now, and drilling for oil.
Don
See, here’s the thing. Several pages ago it was pointed out to you that the WND’s oft-repeated claim that Obama has spent 1.7 million dollars of his own money hiding his birth certificate is, on its face, horse shit. The birther lawsuits are overwhelmingly answered by govenrment lawyers, either the DoJ on Obama’s behalf in his capacity as president, or by the attorneys general of the various state government being sued, none of who Obama pays personally. Moreover, those government attorneys say that these lawsuits generally get thrown out for procedural mistakes or on summary judgment, and accordingly don’t take up a great deal of their time or money, being more nuisances than anything else. You respond by again repeating that Obama has spent over 1.7 million dollars of his own money hiding his birth certificate. It’s hard to argue with that sort of logic - very, very, very hard.
You then claim that a law exists that could have allowed Obama’s mother to get a birth certificate for him even if he was born in Kenya. This is pointed out to be unlikely since the certificate was filed for four days after his birth, irrelevant since it clearly says he was born in Honolulu, and impossible since that law didn’t come into existence until 20 years later. Undaunted, you advance an entirely new argument, carefully researched by you just now on a blog you found that you agree with, that a former CIA agent has uncovered exciting new information from 50 years ago that there were in fact four different ways to get a birth certificate in Hawaii, most of which obviated the necessity of showing that anyone had been born to anyone anywhere at any time ever, essentially tuning birth certificates of the era into holographic instruments, being handwritten on the backs of envelopes or in the interior doors of bathroom stalls, as necessary.
At this point, what’s the point of refuting you? If it’s painstakingly shown that the former secret agent’s claim is completely false and the only way to get a birth certificate at the time was to have the Governor personally present in the delivery room, you’ll simply continue to present convoluted argument after argument until you hit on one that’s completely unfalsifiable: that you have personal knowledge that a former clerk for the State of Hawaii made false entries of records regarding Obama’s birth in return for 10 million dollars, then erased her own identity and disappeared forever.
You show that “reasonable doubt” exists when the other party has the burden of proof. When you’re making the claim, you have the burden of proof and you prove, or you don’t.
Wait, if even Obama’s rival for the position of President has his tongue up Obama’s ass, then this whole issue is irrelevant. If the dude’s that popular, then he deserves to be President, American or not.
Well, Obama’s PAC did spent just over a million dollars fighting these lawsuits (prior to his election).
I don’t understand why that should matter; everyone knows that defending lawsuits is expensive, no matter how frivolous.
WND’s claim is that Obama’s campaign has spent 1.7 million dollars since the election fighting these lawsuits. It’s ridiculous.
Ivan: do you believe that Obama is eligible to be president or not?
It works for me, and I am forbidden by the management of this board to post the entire text-- so you need to get with management and file a complaint.
Now you wonder why on relevant articles to particular people or to the over all good to the thread (in my opinion), and to settle a point, I have post the text and not my edited short form. Least I am accused of cherry picking info, changing context, manipulating emotions, altering general public understanding, and lined up with my white devil nature.
Best of luck to you, it was a great article, you would have loved it.
Don
Don
Uh, Don123? You linked to the article. We can read it. It is missing information.
Don123, you have been told about the rules for Fair Use and against copyright violations.
This is a Warning that you need to stop quoting entire articles and begin posting in your own words, using small quoted sections to support your point.
[ /Moderating ]
Don123
[hijack]How are your Florida real estate investments doing the last 2-3 years? Are you back to half your investment?[/hijack]
More “birther” nonsense, I see. It doesn’t matter how often you “raise the question”. It doesn’t matter how you “rephrase the question”. It doesn’t matter what tangent you go off on (now it’s how much he spent to hide his “alien status”).
It’s still the same tired and worn out lie. At this point, no one can use the excuse that they didn’t know or were misinformed, so it has to be deliberate. That’s all I can figure.
It is settled once and for all.
A handful of nutbags, no matter how loud they are, does not have any effect on that fact (nor the overwhelming evidence for evolution, or that the towers were brought down by planes, or that I post on the SDMB under the name “Troy McClure SF”).