Has Scientology become more mainstream?

As this is now becoming a generally discussion of religions which aren’t “mainstream Christian”, I might email a mod and see if they want to move it.

Just as there are factors which might preclude a Muslim from participating in Ramadan or a Catholic from taking communion, there are factors which might make render an LDS member not “temple-worthy” - Monty could explain those specific factors to you.

I got a good bit of advice for you right now, trader: do not call me a liar when you can’t back that up.

One substantial difference this particular atheist sees is that I could study the beliefs of Catholics, Anglicans, LDS, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and many other world religions for the rest of my life without it costing me a single cent - that is certainly not true of Scientology.

Hey man, what you think you are isolated from the rest of the world so your population shouldn’t be expected to know these things ?

I was going to say how aussie kids are smarter then yank kids… but i have no cite.

Ok who is the dumbarse that posted into the wrong thread ???

** Monty ** wow man you are a bit defencive ?

So you are refuse to answer my questions ? :frowning: … this happens too often in organised religion.
It is ok, i understand

trader, Monty isn’t some kind of Mormon genie who’s on call 24 hours per day to provide answers to questions about his faith - especially when there are many existing threads which can be searched to find answers to the questions you pose. You might want to take into account the time difference between the west coast of the US and the east coast of Australia before you accuse Monty of refusing to answer your questions.

Even the OP - which was about Scientology, not LDS - was probably only a borderline GQ; your current hijack takes it well outside of the purpose of GQ and into GD territory. In either forum, you’d do well to have some cites at hand if you’re going to make statements such as “a friend told me” and then refuse to accept responses (with cites) which indicate that your friend is wrong.

reprise: Plus trader didn’t merely ask me a question about my faith. He accused me of being a liar with no proof. Given the incoherence of the rest of that posting, I seriously doubt trader understands jack.

The reason people in general hate Scientology is because it is a murderous cult. Run a Google search on “Lisa McPherson” and the exact phrase “Why are these people dead, Scientology?” (leave the double-quotes) to find out a lot more.

That’s the main reason. Secondly, Scientology is a purely moneymaking venture. Unlike any other religion, it sells its basic tenets. You cannot find out about Xenu or body thetans or any other points of Scientology theology from the Church itself without paying massive amounts of money. The only reason we know this is people have taken Scientology to court and the secret documents have become court record, therefore public record.

Scientology is the only religion to use barratry, or the filing of lawsuits for the sole purpose of harassment, as a standard practice. Not even the Catholics have sunk that low. Scientology is generally an aggressive, nasty group, as my links to the pages about Larry Wollershiem show.

If you want, I can back up Monty. FWIW, I was a Mormon, and you are wrong trader.

I use http://www.bsdi.com/date/ for such tasks.

pepperlandgirl Thanks … see we have had a few Mormons … well now exmormons that were excommunicated after they told the public about this “myth ?” of becoming a god after death.

Hmm fair enough - these people were just liars too.

OK here is my research

The book of Mormons does not contain this …promise, however another book called “Achieving a Celestial Marriage, Student Manual, published by the LDS Church in 1976” does.

This is 1976 - the earliest record i can find too it. What … did this just materialise itself in New York in ancient Egyptian one day ?

And i quote !

  • Our Father in heaven was once a man as we are now, capable of physical death. **By obedience to eternal gospel principles, he progressed from one stage of life to another until he attained the state that we call exaltation or godhood. **

Maybe i just read it wrong.
Now dear Mormon friends. It seems you are unaware of this book, you can buy a copy from if you wish.

So i guess it is easy for a Mormon to say … “they don’t teach that” - But you can not deny this is an idea promoted by your church.

Or maybe I am still wrong.

** reprise ** this enough citeing ?

How is a passage in a 1976 Morman church handbook, concerning the divinity of Jesus, related in any way to your tale of hearing stories about followers of their faith becoming gods after death, trader?

You’ve “cited” yourself out, mate.

OK here is my research

The book of Mormons does not contain this …promise, however another book called “Achieving a Celestial Marriage, Student Manual, published by the LDS Church in 1976” does.

This is 1976 - the earliest record i can find too it. What … did this just materialise itself in New York in ancient Egyptian one day ?

And i quote !

  • Our Father in heaven was once a man as we are now, capable of physical death. **By obedience to eternal gospel principles, he progressed from one stage of life to another until he attained the state that we call exaltation or godhood. **

Maybe i just read it wrong.
Now dear Mormon friends. It seems you are unaware of this book, you can buy a copy from if you wish.
http://www.utlm.org/booklist/titles/xb128_achievingcelestialmarriage.htm

So i guess it is easy for a Mormon to say … “they don’t teach that” - But you can not deny this is an idea promoted by your church.

Here is how they get away with it

Or maybe I am still wrong.
Here is a little quote from the “how to get a Celestial Marriage page”

  • This is in relation to a young couple who did not prepare and get married in the temple - read the above link for other fun stories *

They wanted to live together forever, but they did not live the commandments that would make that possible. So death came in and closed that career. They may have been good young people; I don’t know. But they will be angels in heaven if they are. **They will not be gods and goddesses and priests and priestesses because they did not fulfill the commandments ** and do the things that were required at their hands. (Quote * Spencer W. Kimball *)

** reprise ** this enough citing ?
** Mormons - Am i still wrong ? Is My friend still a Liar - or are you blissfully unaware of your own faith ? **

Hmm a double post ???.. how odd.

I think I see the use of analogy here, by the author of the second quote you cited, trader, another layer of meaning – but as I’m not LDS, I’ll wait for the experts to say something.

quite harassing trader guys…he’s right…the idea that man could become a god of his own world (with his “wives”…remember polygamy? or do you guys deny that that was a part of being a mormon once upon a time?) was initially a part of the mormon religion…but I’m sure it was conviently left out with the reorganization of the church into it’s contemporary form of Latter Day saints(nice way of sounding more legitimate than Mormon)…and let’s not forget about the founder…Joseph Smith had to be the most hiliarious founder of a religion I have ever read about…my god, the man got thrown out of a 3 story jailhouse to his death by an angry mob in Missouri for attempting to start an inssurrection to take it over…LOL. ahh…makes me smile…midwesterners and religious fanatics…such a fantastic mix :slight_smile: but the idea of becoming a god is in fact a mormon belief at least in the beginning, so lay off trader. well, except for the fact he’s an aussie, we can’t let trader off easy for that one…dam descendant of a criminal!!! lol :slight_smile:

I am sorry, no. The church is obviously saying there are various ranks in the mormons and that only those that follow church laws and are married in the temple can become GODS.

I feel perhaps many mormons (or children of mormons not married in the church) may be dismissing this belief ?

** joe_iguana**- thanx man… I’ll see you in the pit later for sure :). I am a descendant of a Criminal who married a Guard.

Point is… these Mormons are trying to argue against what i have said - that i am lieing or just pulling facts out of my hat ?!

I would love to know why? Why Lie openly - Why lie when you are representing your faith ?

No need to make me look bad, i do a good enough job of that myself.

nah trader, they aren’t calling you a liar, if they are then they don’t mean to…most people are just ignorant of the basis for what their beliefs are founded upon. and besides, most of those beliefs (much like old laws in government) are still there, but are not enforced or believed in. a good example would be the jewish community and the belief that they are God’s chosen people…do most jews really feel that they are privileged over us “gentiles”? (don’t even start the conspiracy theories guys, please) i figure most likely not…though a small minority may believe such but then again…there are always groups that feel themselves superior…which brings us back to Scientology. so help me out guys…as it is really hard to get straight answers on this new “religion” of the famous(Tom Cruise and Mr. Saturday Night Fever himself Travolta)…what exactly is the “Science” part of it? the alien conspiracy? it is such a convoluted religion…well, I don’t really consider it a religion personally, I feel it is more of a fraternal order…much like the masons. it has that same feeling of business people joining a group merely to help themselves get more connections and the “religion” part is merely a formality. but that is of course my own opinion as i do see many parallels between Scientology and Masonic temple.