Refrain noted and acknowledged.
Would someone please provide some link to something that shows the native american walking up and banging his drum two inches from the kid? I’m hung up on this point. None of the pro-kids arguments make any sense to me without knowing that fact.
Ahem. “Lock her up!”?
I absolutely did quote you directly. Didn’t you click my link to your own post, which is what I was quoting?
Sure, but it should do so by enacting and enforcing laws against violent behavior. The government is not entitled to ban cultural symbols just because it considers them ideological markers of a bad attitude.
Likewise, I think the government has a legitimate role in preventing and punishing the violence committed by numerous Trump supporters against immigrants, people of color, and innocent randos that they’ve cast as the villains of their conspiracy theories. But I would never claim that the government has any right to ban the wearing of MAGA hats. That still doesn’t make it wrong to criticize the wearing of MAGA hats, though.
Heck, AFAICT even Alex Jones and InfoWars have yet to lose any of the lawsuits against them for their blatantly false and vicious fabrications about innocent people that have inspired long-lasting persecution of their victims:
You know, if conservatives really want this bullshit call-out culture shit to stop inciting angry folks to ruin innocent people’s lives, maybe they should try persuading more of their fellow conservatives to stop supporting the likes of InfoWars.
Im not conservative and I don’t know any.
Some folks have all the luck.
Not a matter of measurement, it is the quality of the act! “In the face” is the quality of the act, and the essence of the attack. Oftimes, neither of the participants actually define the moment, but the “in the face”-ness can be detected by a keen and acute observer.
As witness herein: the simple act of watching video and accompanying, if wildly divergent, testimony. For the keen witted and sharp, the clarity is complete, they know to a fine point that, yes, indeed, he was “in his face” with his drum. They have no shared perception of actual, measured distance? It is of no consequence, the quality of the act, its “face-ness”, is clear to the wise observer, but may be entirely hidden from louts like you and I.
I am told that such subjective awareness can extend to clothing: to the intelligent and perceptive, it is readily apparent, only dullards such as myself cannot see. Alas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZTDIoywwGk
At 8:45 you can see Phillips approach the group. I don’t see an angle where he seems to be right in someones face. Maybe when the camera turned away? I dunno. I don’t even particularly see Sandmann
Well, it seems like one guy’s lost his job due to calling for the death of the kids and their parents.
Look, I’m pretty pro-free speech but even I admit that Germany has the right to prohibit the swastika for example. I think it’s unnecessary but I understand. I was saying I don’t have a problem with the general principle that government action affects different religious groups disproportionately. I’d extend that principle. I don’t care if some government action affects any group disproportionately.
Ultimately, it depends on the details if I disagree with the specifics.
…thank you 
If we’re talking about what a sovereign nation is legally entitled to do, sure Germany has the right to prohibit the swastika. But as far as civil-liberties principles are concerned, I don’t think prohibiting the swastika is the right policy, and I don’t endorse Germany’s choice to do so.
Still less do I endorse attempts in France to ban the far more defensible use of traditional Muslim garments such as the headscarf. And of course, as I noted, banning MAGA hats in the US is right out.
Not surprising. But that’s an interesting link in your cite about the flagship conservative periodical National Review, considering how some posters here have been trying to make the issue of overreaction and excessive outrage at the Covington students all about liberals:
Hmm, I guess “lame stream media” includes the National Review now.
I mean, I’ll take those odds. PM me.
He’s reminding you that your overblown rhetoric is entirely disconnected from reality.
The videos aren’t hard to find. If you can’t find them, it can only be because you don’t want to find them.
Not true. Sandmann has become the focal point for soy latté twitter’s hysterical outrage. He’s the one getting the death threats.
Incidentally, isn’t it horrifying that literally thousands of verified users with, collectively, tens of millions of followers can wish violence and death on a child with utter impunity for the “crime” of being a cheeky little shit? World War III can’t come fast enough.
…cite for the bolded please.
Some of your best friends are talkers.
In the time it took to make this post you could have just provided a link but nope, you just want to assume my intentions are dishonest and dismiss my question. I’ve searched but couldn’t find one so I’m asking for help because it’s obvious people assume this native american walked up into the smirking kid’s personal space and continued to bang his drum. I’m wondering where this assumption came from, because if the kid walked into the protester’s personal space it verifies the media’s initial reaction was correct. My mind is still open on the matter unlike most in this thread.