It has become increasingly obvious that Moscow Center has realized a hidden truth, that the pulsing heart of American opinion is the intertubes. And the galactic hub, the axle upon which everything turns, is the SDMB. The Cecilians, then the pundit class, the government and, then, at long last!..moose and squirrel.
You must absolutely hate Fox news then
If anyone cares, for all the mile-wide paint brushes used here…this place is a Tibetan Monk Assembly on Robert’s Rules of Order compared to a typical comment section or any Twitter thread.
Ok serious Q: What news source or personality do you trust the most?
I vaguely recall a well-intentioned but foolhardy campaign on the part of several posters to elicit from you a less facile observation than “the press should do a better job” along with some examples of news organizations that you find trustworthy, for comparison/contrast with the “lame stream media.” I don’t suppose a similar effort here would have any greater chance of success.
For me this chart seems about right. I have my alarm set to NPR every morning and I think they are certainly pretty trustworthy.
Very interesting. Intercept is hyper-partisan left?..I guess it is if I look past Greenwald.* They do employ Shaun King.
*Which brings up, can you be hyper-partisan left if you frequently call out the left?
If you are asking the general you, I like NY Times, NPR, Wall Street Journal.
I’m okay with saying each of them has a better-than-not chance of being stupid.
Well, no, that’s not even remotely close to what I wrote. If Bill says, “I support Trump for more coal!” and Cletus says, “I support Trump for less abortions,” and I say, “You’re both full of shit, you just hate black people,” there’s no issue of hypocrisy involved. Bill and Cletus’s positions are not in opposition, and I’m not claiming that they are, I’m just saying that they’re being dishonest about their motivations.
The point is, to demonstrate hypocrisy, you need to demonstrate that a given individual holds contrary positions. Two different people holding contrary positions isn’t hypocrisy, even if they share other qualities. If Bill says, “More Christian values,” and Cletus says, “Grab 'em by the pussy!” and they both vote for Trump, Cletus isn’t being a hypocrite because Bill supports Christian values. Bill, on the other hand, is a huge hypocrite, because his stated position and his political actions are in opposition to each other.
So, if UltraVires wants to point out the hypocrisy in Airbeck’s position, he needs to demonstrate that Airbeck specifically took a different position over a similar issue. It’s not enough to just say, “Well, some other liberals said something different, so that makes you a hypocrite!”
I think hiring a PR firm was fully justified. I don’t think it’s media manipulation to give the other perspective. It’s certainly not as distorted as many of the descriptions given by others. Including Nathan Phillips, who says he thought the kids were building up to violence against the Black Hebrew protestors, and so he went into their group to diffuse the situation, and to put himself between them so if anything happened it had to start against him. That’s his perspective, but not necessarily accurate or fair.
What’s wrong with encouraging political activism in America’s youth? So their opinions strongly offend you, and their behavior could be better. Doesn’t make taking them on a protest trip bad by default.
I assume you meant threats of assault and murder, because nobody has been assaulted or murdered over this that we have heard of.
That’s not an accurate summary. The group of teenagers were targeted by one small group of adults (Black Hebrews), and they then put up with an hour of provocation before finally resorting to some school spirit chants to try to keep their morale up against the vile curses hurled at them. Then another adult decided they were going to be violent and walked up into their midst and directly up to one of the students. Phillips says he expected the kid to step out of the way like the others did, but when he didn’t, he was worried about his own safety. But he could have tried stepping around the kid, but didn’t.
Yeah, it’s kind of racist. The fans may be doing it out of a benign ignorance or a lack of empathy, but it is a bit racist.
Heroes? :dubious: I do agree they deserve praise for their restraint in that situation, and not escalating or starting any violence. They’re teenagers, they easily could have.
Um, maybe they see the MAGA hats as directly related, as is a conservative President who is appointing conservative judges and who has expressed opinions to overthrow Roe vs. Wade.
The only ones I heard telling someone to go back to their own country was a Native American telling the whites that. The racist slurs were coming from the Black Hebrews.
I watched that part of the video. It appears to me the teens don’t know what Phillips is doing with his drum, and think he is drumming along with them, and they do some standard pep rally clap along things. Then it gets weird when Phillips steps up to Sandmann, who doesn’t move out of the way because he is confused about what is going on. And Phillips was the one who directly confronted the boys, not the other way around. He didn’t even try to step around Sandmann, who just stood still. Sandmann wasn’t blocking his path, he was standing where he had been standing. He didn’t bob and weave to keep Phillips contained, he just stood still with a confused smirky smile, hoping it would be peaceful and calm.
It’s political activism, not a bad thing in and of itself.
People jumped on an assumed story that fit their prejudices, in part that the white kids were aggressive towards the Native Americans, who were minding their own business. That is a false narrative that fits certain expectations. “The MAGA hat wearers are clearly at fault, there are more of them and they are white and they have on Trump hats. Must be their fault.”
Someone supports Trumps campaign statements of bringing back manufacturing and other skilled jobs. They support his push for conservative judges.
Really, people can attribute more than one meaning to a symbol. They can use the Trump hat as a symbol of their pro-life position because of Trump’s claims to be Pro-life and appointing conservative judges.
When did they chant “foreigners go home” and white supremacist things? It’s not on the videos I watched.
Yes, Phillips walked up to the teens, the teens parted, he walked further forward, so they circled him, then he walked up to Sandmann, who didn’t move. Then he stood banging his drum and chanting directly in Sandmann’s face, without trying to go around, or talking in English about what his message was so the teens could understand what was up. And his buddy, another Native American, was telling them to go back to Europe.
:rolleyes: He clearly means the media and social media attacks, not some physical assaults.
No he is not. Look at the 2:20 mark in the video and listen to Phillips discussing from his perspective what happened. He walked up to Sandmann, who didn’t move out of the way because he didn’t know what was going on. Phillips made no attempt to go around.
I’ve made Züricher Geschnetzeltes that’s less rich and white than hiring a PR firm to handle your son being part of a racist, misogynistic mob.
No, you can’t. BLM came about largely due to Michael Brown, and his commission of violence against police. Therefore, BLM is properly associated with violence against police.
If you get to announce what MAGA hats mean, then I get to announce what BLM means.
Regards,
Shodan
Hahahaha. You vaguely recall a foolhardy campaign, and suddenly you wish to start another one. I guess you have more time on your hands than I thought possible. Oh well. In my spare time I’ll try to help you understand why I won’t be distracted by playing your game. I’m a notorious channel-changer. I really do not like watching commercials. click, click, click, click, click. I like to watch old movies, and the news. click, click, click, click, click. I watch them all, because, eventually, I might find out what the actual story is. You may have your favorite news media outlets, or maybe you enjoy biased news, or maybe you like wading thru horseshit hoping to find a pony. Personally, I would like all news media outlets to simply report the news. I don’t need them to tell me how to think, or what to think. I don’t want them to endlessly play what-if word-games on my time. VERIFY what actually happened, and pass the information along to me.
I could use your help. You can chose to champion bias, spin, agendas, and piss poor reporting, or you can demand that your favorite news media outlet place accuracy, facts, the truth, and verification of stories at the top of their priority list.
Absolutely. However, in the court of public opinion, my view of MAGA is more likely to carry the day than your view of BLM.
Plus, is BLM even a thing anymore?
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I feel the same way about all of the haters who are trying to justify their racism by blaming someone’s hat. I’m also saying that they are being dishonest about their motivations. Haters gotta hate, racists come in all skin colors, and racists target people of all colors.
It depends on how violent the people who share your view of MAGA become.
The Bureau of Land Management has been around since 1946. I doubt that they are going away any time soon.
Your side is the actual violent side though:
So that’s what the inside of a bubble looks like. Interesting.
Depends on who you ask. Trump is currently around 41% approval ratings (cite) and BLM is only a little higher (cite).
That goes back to something I said earlier - the MSM and liberals genuinely think a MAGA hat and a Klan hood are the same thing. It never occurred to them to verify whatever bad things anyone said about the kids. Because - well, they were wearing MAGA hats. Of course they did whatever they were accused of doing. Just like Hillary was going to be elected.
Everybody knows these things - there is no need to check
Regards,
Shodan
I suppose I am in a bubble. I don’t interact with anyone who I know or suspect voted for, or supports, President Trump. ( Other than here at the SDMB)
The very idea is still incomprehensible to me. Literally. I can not comprehend.
I do understand the problems people are facing. To believe Trump is anyway connected to solving those problems is the mystifying part.