Has the world ever run out of any natural resource?

The question is pretty self explanatory. We are always hearing that we’re about to run out of oil, fossil fuels, etc, But has this ever happened on a global scale?

I realise that small isolated communities can run out of things if they don’t have trading access or resources (I believe that the Easter Islanders ran out of trees which is why their civilisation collapsed).

I’m also not including animals that become extinct - we have most certainly run out of dodos and thylacines but they were never really a natural resource in the first place.

So has mankind ever run out of anything? If so what. Also what is the substance that we are most likely to run out of first?

we are suffering from a severe shortage of Wooly Mammoths.
After centuries of intensive use by early Man, they seem to be extinct.

Yes I know that and I know that those sabre tooth tigers haven’t been answering their phones in a while.

I’m not counting animals or plants as a natural resource as we only “run out” of them if we don’t plan for their renewal - ie husbandry and farming.

What I mean is has the world ever run out of a non-renewable resource?

Well, do you count 150 foot pine trees as a renewable resource? We’ve pretty much cut most of them down, but theoretically we could grow some more… in about 300 years.

By the way, extinct species are pretty much non-renewable. I mean, we could wait 30,000 years and we’ll have more species, but I don’t think that’s what you mean.

And it seems to me that you’re defining the question away by saying that you’re not interested in things that we could have avoided running out of. I mean, if you’re smart enough to plan to only use what you have, you’ll never run out of anything. But the key question is, are human societies smart enough to plan like that? And are there any examples to show that they’re not?

It also seems to me that a better question would include regional shortages as well, since there’s more data there. We’ve only become a global world gradually in the last century or so, so there really hasn’t been much time to use up something on a global scale.

I know you aren’t talkning about plants, but here is a more true-to-form example. Silphium was a very popular, commercially lucrative herb during Roman times, spoke of highly by Pliny the Elder. It was a relative of giant fennel, and the economy of Cyrene was at least in part dependent on its harvest. It apparently was not farmed. It was overpicked and now there is no more silphium.

As for natural resources that we have completely exhausted: Nitrogen.

I believe that at one time in the 20th century, man’s needs for nitrogen (to feed crops and feed the world) essentially exhausted the natural supply.

Someone discovered a way to convert the nitrogen in the air into a usable nitrogen fertilizer. Without this discovery, our lack of a usable nitrogen fertilizer would have meant famine on an enourmous scale.

So, amazingly, just to feed the world (not to indulge in driving SUVs, or to indulge our habits of playing games and loving liesure), people exhausted a natural resource that is essential to growing crops and essential to human survival.

We ‘manufacture’ nitrogen. In other words, we ‘engineer’ nitrogen fetilizer, and this engineering is essential to life on the planet. Plants just don’t sprout of the ground year after year, billions of tons at a time without science to feed the soil with nitrogen we mfgr-ed out of the air.

I kniow you said “no animals, because they aren’t a resource”, but it’s not true. And you don’t need to go back to the devastation of the Ice Age megafauna, either.

Passenger Pigeons were killed off because they were a readily available source of food. They literally darkened the skies, and the supply seemed endless. They were quite literally hunted to extinction, the last one having died in the Washington Zoo less than a century ago. No one believed they’d be able to kill them all off.

It’s the reason, I suspect, that groups like Ducks, Unlimited support conserving the Duck. It’s true they want to hunt them, but you can’t do that if they’re not around. And even if they seem ridiculously plentiful, and in no danger of extinction, the case of the Passenger Pigeon proves that’s not the case.
By the way, the Dodo served as a resource, too, in its day. In those days of pre-refrigeration and pre-canning, fresh meat served as a welcome break from salted, dried, and smoked meat. Dodos reputedly tasted awful (One Dutch nanme for them is said to have translated as “nauseating birds”), but sailors stopping at the islands ate them, anyway. And so did their dogs, who didn’t complain as much.

I don’t know about that… while I don’t have any cites, I think before the Haber process (the way by which ammonia compounds were first synthesized using the nitrogen in the air), the primary sources of nitrogen for plant fertilization were manures of various types. Even the guano mined in South America and places like Nauru was essentially sea bird or bat turds that had accumulated to incredible depths. I’m guessing that good old cow manure was used in many places as a fertilizer, just as it is today.

And… the Haber process was developed in WW I Germany as a method for getting nitrate compounds for munitions, not as a fertilizer.

Common sense.

Cite?

There are natural processes that fix nitrogen in the soil. I don’t doubt that we use artificial ones, too, but couldn’t we get all the nutrients we need by rotating soybeans (nitrogen fixing) with other crops? And soybeans are good eatin’.
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Well, have to back up my claim, so here goes:

http://www.igwa.info/archive/nitrogen_fertilizer.htm
'…At the end of the 19th century, Sir William Crookes, speaking to the British Association for the Advancement of Science “called on science to save Europe from impending starvation.” stating that, “It is a chemist who must come to the rescue of the threatened communities.” The problem was a lack of nitrogen. The major source of fertilizer nitrogen at the time was guano (bird droppings), which was largely depleted…"

‘…It probably isn’t “surprising”, but it might be interesting that the entire process of how we manage to have inorganic nitrogen fertilizer today is the result of the Haber process, which is described in an article “Capturing Nitrogen Out of the Air.” that appeared in the February issue of Today’s Chemist at Work. …’

IIRC, the Romans exhausted various forms of marble quarried in Europe; red marble springs to mind. Does anyone know for sure if this has been truly exhausted (at least to the point that mining it would be uneconomical)?

That’s pretty broad. By eliminating Animal and Vegetable, you leave us with only Mineral, and, the earth being pretty big, it would take quite a while for a small human population to exhaust mineral wealth. Not that we’re not approaching it.

I think, as Quercus said, that you’re defining the problem away. The only resources people could use up before now were animal and vegetable. Tthere has always been a way to dig deeper or look fartyher, or extract more cleveerly mineral resources, but once a plant or animal has been eliminated from its habitat, it’s gone. And, as noted above, these are as much resources as minerals were, maybe more so in earlier times. And no one knew about conserving them earlier, or knew that they’d get used up. So the Aurochs and Moas and Aepyornis – essential food animals, all – disappeared.

Many people before Diamond have brought up the issue of the Easter Islanders cutting down all the trees and trapping themselves. (Heck, Larry Gonick used it as the opening for one of his Cartonn Guides over a decade ago).

Quercus’ tall pine trees are another example. Actually, not just tall pines. The British shipbuilding industry (combined with charcoal burners and grazing animal farming) used up all the tall pines (needed for ship masts) and oak (for structural elements), and by the early 19th century they were importing these from Scandinavia, or taking parts from old ships to build new ones (and often unconsciously transferring rot), or coming up with solutions like binding multiple trees together and “stepping” the masts. That prettyy much sounds like using up a resource, at least locally.

As I noted, we actually did use up many kinds of deposits of minerals, and it’s only our increasing technological sophistication that has enabled us to keep getting the ever-harder-to-reach materials. So gold and copper used to be available as nuggets, then hidden in ores. Then more sophisticated processes like cyanide were needed to get at them. Petroleum from oil shale is a lot harder to get at than pitch oozing up through open ground, but you don’t see a lot of that anymore.

I look at the notes about Nitrogen being used up and say “What!?” It’s 3/4 of the air. Even liquid nitrogen is cheaper on a liter by liter basis than soda. We may have come close to using up easily available nitrogen fertilizer (although I find that hard to believe), but not nitrogen itself.

Here’s a possibility for you – helium. As far as I know, it only occurs on earth trapped atop oil deposits in impermeable domes. It doesn’t combine chemically with anything (except under highly artificial circumstances) and, once released into the atmosphere, it goes up to the top, where it eventually picks up enough energy from collisions to be booted higher in the earth’s and the sun’s gravity wells. All the He used in Macy’s parades is effectively gone. And in your party balloons, too. But Helium is useful in ways nothing else is. You can achieve extremely low temperatures with helium refrigerators (down bnelow 15 K with an off-the-shelf version that has nothing special to it). Using dilution refrigerators and more exotic techniques you can get down well below 1 K. Nothing else really lets you get that low (hydrogen will probably let you get low, but it’s flammable, and you can’t build a hydrogen dilution refrigerator). And I suspect we’ll need to get to such cryogenic temperatures, even in an age of high Tc superconductors.

at one time the Dept. of Mines and universities made an effort to try and trap and recycle helium. We had such a system in my grad school. But even 20 years ago, no one was using it.

No.

There was Red Marble quarried in France as recently as the 19th century.
Used in fireplaces.

http://www.francoermarmista.com/mantels/FM04.htm

http://www.francoermarmista.com/eng/mantels.htm

Red marle is still quarried in Greece.

http://www.ancientroute.com/resource/stone/marble.htm

BTW–it’s quite hansome. I’m rather impressed.

But isn’t helium being formed naturally by alpha radiation, the particles later becoming deionized to helium?

It’s theorized by many that the Easter Island civilization perished through ecological disaster, brought about by overconsumption of the island’s resources.

Silphium was actually the first thing that came to mind for me. The nitrogen idea is interesting too, though we don’t depend entirely on artificially fixed nitrogen. Some plants have bacterial colonies on their roots that can ‘fix’ nitrogen – turn atmospheric nitrogen, which plants can’t use, into nitrogen compounds such as ammonia and nitrate ion that plants can incorporate into their amino acids. These bacteria still do produce much of the nitrogen plants need, although agriculture is often too intensive now for them to produce all the nitrogen our crops need. So we produce ‘fixed’ nitrogen compounds – fertilizers such as ammonium nitrate – chemically from atmospheric nitrogen. This allows us to produce far more crops than we would be able to if we depended on bacterially fixed nitrogen alone, and it also means we don’t have to cycle more profitable crops with nitrogen-fixing crops such as beans.

There were natural fertilizers, such as manure and guano, before there were fertilizers produced by a chemical process, but the development of the Haber-Bosch process (1894-1911) made it far easier to obtain effective fertilizers without having to depend, for example, on the export of nitrates from Chile.
Fritz Haber, BTW, had a career that was more intertwined with politics and history than almost any other chemist I can think of. (This isn’t strictly on-topic, but I have to share it every time Haber comes up.) The Haber-Bosch process is as useful in the manufacture of explosives (which require nitrates) as it is in making fertilizer, and it allowed Germany to keep producing ammunition in World War I despite the British blockade that would have greatly reduced nitrate imports from overseas. Also during World War I, Haber was very important in developing chemical weapons for Germany, which drove his wife to suicide in 1915. After the war, he tried to develop a means of extracting gold from sea water so Germany could pay its war reparations; this failed, but I suspect he worked with cyanide compounds in this research, and he would develop another cyanide compound with enormous and tragic historical importance. In the 20s, Haber led a group that developed an insecticide based on hydrogen cyanide. In one of its formulations – Zyklon B – it would be used to kill a million people at Auschwitz. Ironically and tragically, Haber himself was Jewish, and was forced to resign from his work and emigrate in 1934, after the Nazis came to power. (Another book I have says he resigned when he refused to fire his Jewish staff, without mentioning that he was Jewish, so I’m not entirely sure that he was.) The Nazis entirely overlooked his substantial contributions to German industry; without the Haber process, a second war may have been impossible. (OTOH, the Haber process allowed agriculture to be much more intensive, so millions of people were probably saved from starvation.) There is another biography of Haber on the Nobel site, though this one focuses on his scientific work while downplaying their historical significance.

Another resource which has been largely depleted is water-soluble iron compounds. In the distant past (billions of years ago), the oceans were full of soluble iron. At one time, this iron was used as a resource by primitive organisms and also cleansed the oceans of their waste product (oxygen) by forming insoluble Fe[sub]3[/sub]O[sub]4[/sub], which settled to the bottom of the ocean. Eventually, it is thought that photosynthetic organisms produced so much oxygen that the oceans and the atmosphere began to contain sufficient oxygen to make it oxidizing instead of reducing, and much of the remaining soluble iron was deposited as insoluble oxygen-containing compounds such as Fe[sub]3[/sub]O[sub]4[/sub]. Now, there is relatively little iron dissolved in the oceans. But organisms that live there today are descended from organisms that evolved in an iron-rich environment, and they still need iron. In many places, iron is a growth-limiting resource.

We didn’t exhaust nitrogen. We just augmented what existed in nature because we needed larger concentrations that were existed. If you were to elminate nitrogen fertilizers today, you could still grow food crops in the soil. You just wouldn’t be able to feed a planet of 6 billion people with the naturally occurring concentrations.

What did we ever run out of? Aside from animal resources and Silphium, I can’t think of anything. Arguably, fresh water as a resource is under serious pressure. That’s the one that worries me the most. But that’s strictly GD, I won’t argue it here.

I hear Unobtainium is pretty damn difficult, if not impossible, to find these days. :slight_smile:

It seems more likely that if we ran out of “natural resource”, not counting plant or animal, that we wouldn’t necessarily have a record of it. Unless it happend in the last 100 years.

Well, we’ve run out of all the best natural pencil graphite, right? Although I’ve read that the stuff we make these days is better and more consistant than the old stuff (from Devonshire? maybe) was.

And I echo everybody else; animals are a resource. Ask American commercial fishers. We’ll never really know what Imperial purple is, fresh and in cloth, because that mollusc is dead, deceased, no longer extant. That dye was big business!