Hasn't AIDS always been around

The story that I have heard that seems the most credible about the explosion of AIDS is as follows:

  1. AIDS gets into the human population from ingesting infected monkey brains in Africa.

  2. Disease begins to spread among Africans including wealthy Africans.

  3. Haiti is a popular vacation spot for wealty Africans.

  4. Disease begins to spread among Haitians

  5. Haiti is a popular vacation spot for American gay men.

  6. Disease begins to spread among American gay men.

  7. One of the first American gay men to get AIDS was a very promiscuous airline steward who has men he sees in many major US cities.

Haj

The story that Gaetan Dugas (hope I’m remembering the spelling right) was “patient zero” in North America was probably not true. It is true that he was a fairly early AIDS case, and what’s more, he passed it on - knowingly - likely to dozens of men.

But the idea that his visits introduced HIV to many major cities came about early on, before it was known how long HIV could incubate prior to symptoms appearing. He was actually years too late to be the source of AIDS in the cities he visited.

These two sound dubious to me.

I think you got your HIV mixed up with your Ebola.

I hope this helps. I am at work :frowning: , so I could not devote more time to research the subject.

Open

stupid question: if everyone practised safe sex, would such diseases die off or something?

If sexual transmission were the only way, then yes. Keep in mind none of the precautions are completely safe, but proper precautions provide a high degree of safety.

But it also is transmitted through sharing needles and the blood supply, as well as occasionally in a medical environment through needle sticks. All those vectors would have to be taken care of as well.

No comment on the OP. Sex is not the only way AIDS is transmitted (drug use / medical procedures.)

Nitpick: yes, you can’t say that completely eliminating non-safe-sex would stop HIV spreading. However, it might do - if transmission rates through other methods were sufficiently slow or localised, it could die off. I don’t have any figures, just thought it was worth explaining.

Complete hijack: is it ok to describe sharing needles as a ‘vector’, I’d previously only used that to describe an animal which transfered a disease.

Just wondering: to someone of your age, does “ancient times” mean the '50s or '60s?

That was a completely non-scientific use of the term “vector”. I’d be amazed if I even spelled it correctly.

Sorry, never mind. I understood it, that’s the main thing.

I don’t think that hypothesis was ever “touted” by anything resembling a reputable authority. If I recall correctly it was the subject of some sniggering speculation by standup comedians at the time, which is not the same thing.

I never understood why people made the connection: AIDS is spread by sexual contact in humans—>AIDS came from monkeys (or apes)–>therefore a human must have had sex with a monkey. The transfer could have happened a number of other ways, including people eating meat from apes or monkeys, or being bitten by one. Either one seems infinitely more likely to me.

Yes, but neither one is nearly as perversely funny. :smiley:

I saw a documentary that followed some researchers studying the apparent immunity of some African prostitutes who were practicing unsafe sex. The purpose of the study was, of course, to determine what was conferring the immunity to HIV.

Turns out the prostitutes ended up contracting HIV, they were just ‘lucky’ not to have contracted it earlier.

Dont ask me why the researchers didnt just give them a box of condoms.

I saw that report to, and it was a nice feel good story at the end of the news.

Too bad it didnt turn out to be true; that could have been a huge break through.