There was an odd philosophical theory in the 18th century which stated that the further away we get from a reported event in time, the probability that it is true decreases (owing to inventions, accretions, distortions, etc, which accumulate over the passage of time.) Therefore, reasoned these sages, the probability that Julius Caesar was assassinated will eventually become so highly improbable as to be almost certainly untrue.
Thus, if we wait long enough, maybe it won’t be true that we went to the Moon!
Of course the Moon landings were faked, guys. That’s why they framed up O.J. Simpson. It’s all part of the vast <insert group here> conspiracy to keep the people from asking too many questions about cow-mutilating black helicopters. Ditto with the Stepford Model 12 Mark II android known as ‘Paris Hilton’.
Even though the IMDB entry on this flick claims that the scene with the “Moon landing” in Diamonds are Forever was a reference to the “faked landing” conspiracy nuts, I don’t buy it. I was around at the time, and saw the film when it was new – there simply was noo big movement claiming it was all faked at the time. That idiocy started years later. (There probably were a couple of nuts claiming this – there’s always some small residue of nuts – but it certainly wasnt the widespread meme it is now. You wouldn’t find it even in the National Inquirrer). I didn’t hear about this until that movie with OJ and the faked Mars landing came out. I think that’s what gave a lot of people the idea.
Back in 1971 we saw a lot of simulation, and that’s what I supposed that scene to be. But the full-fledged network of “lunar landing” conspiracists that’s around today simply didn’t exist then.
Exactly WHAT would be the point of faking the moon landing, anyway? You would have to swear hundreds, possibly thousands of people to secrecy-and sooner or later, the whole thing will come out.
surely, the scene in “DAF” was just for fun-although if anybody could have faked the moon landings, it would have been howard Hughes/Willard White. Yep, that banbi was hot!
Yer missin’ my point – back in 1971 virtually no one would have thought that they were faking the moon landing. The idea didn’t exist. Outside of a few nuts, the meme wasn’t there. People looking at that scene didn’t think “Oh – they’re acting as if the whole moon landing was a fraud, and they’re faking it here!” Too long a chain of inferences, with nothing to suggest it.
People thought – “Oh, it’s an astronaut training program!” or something.
I don’t know who it is, but it’s not ANYONE’s first step on the moon. The flag and some bit of equipment are already set up. These were done only after both men were on the surface.
Also, if you look really closely at the “sky”, you actually can see stars faintly! Take that, conspiracy theorists!
Actually, it’s just dust on my monitor. I’ll change my vote. CONSPIRACY!!
What about the obvious refernces to Howard hughes (“Willard White”). When DAF was made, wasn’t there a lot of speculation about where Hughes lived, what he did, or was he EVEN alive? That Moon Rover" was cool-it was faster than a Ford galaxy! Like i said, i wonder why this scene was included… it sorta made for a few laughs, possibly!
Irrelevant to Moon Conspiracy theories – speculating about Howard Hughes was its own ground for nutjob theorizing and idle speculation. Of course Willard Whyte, with his reclusive persona, aerospace companies, and double initials, was modeled on Huward Hughes. They were making fun of him on “Green Acres” , too, in the 1960s (with a character named “Howard Hewes”). But it’s got nothing to do with loony Moon theories.
If it was a hoax, it was the biggest conspiracy in history. For starters, of course, you’d need every single employee of NASA to be in on it. That’s pretty straightforward. But you’d also need every single ham radio operator in the world, too: The transmissions could be picked up by amateur equipment, and were clearly coming from the Moon. Then, you’d need to bring in all of the scientists who worked with the data, also not a small group: Even today, there are still new grad students going to work on projects using the corner reflector left behind on the surface. Now add in a significant portion of the governments of the USSR, China, and pretty much everyone else in the world. Plus, of course, all of the film crews, special effects guys, etc. who were needed to allegedly do the actual faking. We’re talking millions of people here, easily. And not one single one of those people has ever squealed. Man, that is hard. It’d have been a heck of a lot easier to actually do it in the first place.
It’s quite obvious: Kennedy had announced the manned mission, but NASA realised that it it wasn’t going to happen. Rather than lose face, they faked a successful outcome. They launced an unmanned probe to the moon to fuck with the Soviets, while keeping the astronauts in Area 51 or wherever.
But what about the “whistle blowers”! That’s why they made sure the black crosses were behind stuff and… er more stuff (rather, of course, than telling anyone about it).
In seriousness, I asked my dad, who worked for NASA on the Skylab mission, what he thought of the moon hoax, and he, typical scientist, told me that the evidence presented to him convinced him of Skylab and Apollo 17, for which he was an observer: “I saw the Saturn V disappear from view, and a few days later I saw the command module appear to drop into the ocean on parachutes and the astronauts appear to get out of it. Therefore for at least one of the launches, if my senses are to be believed, astronauts did at least leave the atmosphere.”
Despite this reticence, he did then add “and if the whole thing was a hoax, I reckon the achievement of keeping everyone quiet about it would be a much more amazing achievement than actually going to the moon.”
No one said it was. This is the photo to which the hoax site, and my response, were referring. It shows Buzz Aldrin stepping off the ladder onto the moon, and was taken by Armstrong.
The photo that Tevildo supplied is one of Armstrong taken by Aldrin. If you follow the text link that Tevildo supplied, it explains exactly when and under what circumstances it was taken.
As a rough rule of thumb, I figure that one person can keep a secret (if he decides to); two people might have a 50-50 chance of keeping a secret; three might be able to do with probability 1 in 3. As for 100 people, I am quite sure that there is less than 1 chance in a 100 of their keeping a secret. For all of NASA, fuggedaboutit.
Yes, they did. That’s one of the key components of the conspiracy theory. Sure it’s bullshit; that was his point, not that anyone in THIS thread had made that argument.
John Craig , a Scottish mathematician (1663-1731).
“In 1699 he published Theologiae Christianae Principia Mathematica which applies probability to show that the evidence of the truth of the gospels is diminished through time. He claimed that it reaches 0 in the year 3144, and so “proves” that this is an upper bound for the second coming.”
In other words, Christ has to come back by the year 3144 otherwise he will never have existed at all!
