Have you ever fired your lawyer? Or wanted to?

OK. Before we begin, let’s get this out of the way. This is NOT a thread for the general bashing of lawyers as a group or as a profession. This is about bad experiences you’ve had with a specific lawyer or lawyers who were working (or supposed to be working) on your behalf. Please keep this one on topic.


I retained a lawyer for my divorce proceedings at the beginning of the year. My divorce was anticipated to be very straightforward (everything civil, neither side wanting anything from the other, no kids, one piece of property). I had had friends who had done their own divorces and said I should be able to handle it on my own. Nevertheless, I have legal insurance through my workplace, and even though I work in the law business myself as a paralegal, I knew nothing at all about family law. So I figured I’d rather have a professional working on my behalf since it wasn’t going to cost me anything. I decided to go with a fairly young, new lawyer because again, there wasn’t anything complicated about what needed to be done, and I figured I’d get a lot more personal attention from someone new. What could go wrong?

Well, a few things, as it turned out. During our initial meeting, he asked me a series of questions related to our assets and finances which he used to fill out the petition for divorce. Among the questions from him was what my wife’s annual salary was. I gave him the appropriate five-figure answer. After the paperwork had been filed and my wife had been served with a copy, she emailed me to kindly inform me that she’s not quite that wealthy. It seems that the question on the form is actually what her MONTHLY salary was, not her annual salary. Now, I figured this wasn’t a big deal because anyone could make that mistake, and even I hadn’t seen the misstep when I reviewed the paperwork before signing it. On the other hand, this guy is supposed to be familiar with doing divorces, and I’d expect him to know the basic questions on California divorce paperwork. Oh well – I shrugged it off.

A week or two later, I got a letter from my legal insurance company. They told me that I had retained a lawyer prior to my eligible time period, which was January 1, 2010. Therefore, rather than getting my lawyer for free, I was going to have to pay out of my own pocket for all legal services. I was infuriated because I had specifically waited until AFTER the new year to start the divorce process precisely because I knew when my legal insurance would take effect. My first call to the lawyer had been on January 4th. Thinking this was just another attempt by an insurance company to screw me over, I called them to set things straight, armed with proof of phone calls and emails with my attorney. And what did the story turn out to be? My esteemed attorney had improperly filled out the paperwork he’d submitted to the insurance company, inexplicably writing in that I’d retained him in September of 2009. I still don’t know how someone makes that mistake. Anyway, it turns out that by the time I’d called the insurance company, he’d already submitted a correction to his mistake, but I was losing confidence. With, I think, good reason.

Anyway, time goes on, my wife files the appropriate acknowledgment that she’d received the filing, but our intention was that the divorce would go forward as a default, meaning essentially that she wasn’t going to respond to anything. Again, we weren’t contesting anything, and she trusted me to not try to screw her over, so responding was only going to cost money she didn’t have at the time for filing fees. As a May date for a status conference approached, my wife emails me again, asking me what my lawyer’s problem is. It turned out that, without my permission or knowledge, my lawyer had been in contact with my wife, harassing her about filing her response. She’d told him that she didn’t need to file a response and that she wasn’t going to file one, but he continued to insist that it was necessary, and that she basically needed to suck it up because divorces cost money. The fact that he was having any communication at all with my wife without my consent really pissed me off, although I didn’t know whether that was strictly unethical. But it seemed like the communication he was having with her wasn’t even correct! I was on the verge of firing him at that point. But again, our status conference was coming up, so I thought I’d wait.

The lawyer had told me previously that the status conference was no big deal – they just wanted to know where we were in the process. He said I didn’t need to show up – he was going to go there to represent me. However, I work near the courthouse, and I have an interest in the legal process, so I determined on my own that I was going to show up since it was my damned case to begin with, and I wanted to talk to him about the correspondence with my wife. I didn’t tell him I was planning to show. Further, my wife told me that, because she’d lost faith in the process, she was going to show up, as well. Fine.

So May 5th rolls around, and I head to court. I meet my wife there. We head to the appointed courtroom and wait. And wait. And wait. My lawyer is nowhere to be seen. Over an hour after our scheduled time, our case is called by the clerk. My wife and I start to approach when one of the other clerks says, “Wait, you’re Mr. Asimovian? I just got off the phone with your lawyer. He called us to postpone your date because he said he was still waiting for your wife to submit delinquent paperwork. I’ve already taken you off calendar – I didn’t know you were actually here.” After much agonizing and gesturing and explanation, the clerk made it clear to us that based on our circumstances, we – and not the lawyer – were correct in that my wife didn’t need to file any paperwork, and that we were free and clear to proceed under a default. Unfortunately, however, because my lawyer had beaten us by five minutes, there was nothing to be done, and our hearing was postponed for two months. He’d never informed me that he’d had any intention of doing that, of course.

Suffice to say, I fired him that afternoon. Even then, I had to struggle with him to get him to send me a complete copy of my file.

At any rate, do any of you have stories about your own bad lawyer experiences? Maybe I’m the only one. :slight_smile:

You did the right thing.

I’ve never fired an attorney I’ve used for personal matters, but I’ve fired one that we’ve used for corporate matters in the company I work for.

I had a lawyer pretty much stop responding to me. It was an unusual property dispute, involving a paper street, and we had a tough time even finding someone who was familiar with the law. We had two meetings with him, he sent out letters to the involved parties, billed us for the time he’d spent so far, cashed our check, emailed us a few times explaining where he thought we’d go next, then just stopped all contact. No idea why. No email or letter like “There’s nothing else I can do for you, so I don’t want to take anymore of your money.” He was still in business - I’d call his office and get his secretary, but he’d never return calls or emails. It got to the point where I wrote him a letter just asking that he respond via mail/phone/email that he didn’t want to handle our case anymore, but no response to that either. I stopped into his office twice, but he was “out” both times.

Later while telling this story to someone else, we were told that this lawyer was actually known for this kind of behavior - just dropping clients with no explanation whatsoever.

I don’t practice family law, but if it’s anything like regular civil, then I have no idea why the attorney would care if your wife defaulted on the action.

The only reason I can think of would be that he wanted to bill the file as a contested action.

You can’t fire a judge, but you can file an ethics charge against them. Scared the bitch enough that the transcript I ordered to support my complaint seemed to be missing some interesting chunks. When I asked for the tapes, I got a lot of stutterring and stammering.

I followed through with the complaint but didn’t do the organ-grinder monkey dance to get the original tapes. I figured it was enough to make my point for the next time. To bad the fucking slum lord never again dared sue me though. Bummer.

Wow, what an awful experience.

Do you think you wouldn’t have fired him if you were just a regular joe and not a paralegal? Did you knowledge of what constitutes legal incompetence make it easier for you to “see” the red flags?

I wondered that, as well. Trying to game the system a bit. Either that, or incompetence. The divorce should have been over in August. But partially because of his nonsense, and partially because of how long it took me to get my act together to finish things on my own, I have to cross my fingers that it’ll be finalized by November.

You know, I wonder that myself. On the one hand, I think I might have been more patient than someone not in the legal field. There are times in my line of work where I see clients get pissed off about things that are NOT a lawyer’s fault, so I might have a little bit more knowledge of what is and isn’t a big deal. On the other hand, people who have never dealt with lawyers at all before might be more inclined to not question anything their lawyer says or does, since the lawyer is the one who is supposed to be the expert. I didn’t have any trouble questioning my own lawyers actions.

As it was, though, I did talk to one of the lawyers in my own office about what was going on before I made the final decision to fire my guy. I wanted a sanity check.

I “fired” the lawyer who set up my very simple family trust. Although basically it meant that I simply stopped using his services. As part of the trust procedure, we needed to amend the deed to our home. His clerk processed the deed transfer for a house in a completely different town, belonging to a person with a very similar name to ours. I only found out about this when I received foreclosure documents on a the house I never owned. The lawyer had the hutzpah to try to charge me for straightening the mess out.

I was not pleased.

Am I the only person on the boards who, in 73 years, has never fired a lawyer because he has never had a lawyer?

IAAL, and I’ve been fired. Does that qualify?

In my experience, there are as many poor lawyers as there are poor plumbers/builders/handymen/doctors.

The real surprise, for me, is that someone might not have fired someone working for 'em. Doubtless they will get it wrong, from time to time. Is it particularly odd that a lawyer should be fired? Honest question.

My brother and his wife were very disappointed in the lawyer who helped them close on their house. Basically, he was doing a favor for a friend(my brother’s wife’s boss) and showed no interest in the needs of his actual clients. While he didn’t screw anything up, so far as they knew at the time they told me this story, they had quietly resolved that the next time Boss offered to hook them up with a lawyer, they’d say thanks but no thanks and look for recommendations amongst their other friends, even if it ended up costing them more.

Boss was a semi-local politician, so he had many friends who would be willing to do favors.

The lawyer who handled my mother’s estate took almost 2 years to finish, and I was the only heir, and she had a will. But that’s not when I fired him. I fired him a few years later when I was doing some business with my uncle and he was my uncle’s lawyer. He took it upon himself to contact the bank we were dealing with and told them he represented me, then made some changes to the deal I was doing with the bank. Took me a bit to get that one straightened out.

I find myself getting mad all over again!

IAAL and I’ve been fired, which is tricky, cause I work as a public defender and it’s hard to fire us from a case. My client was pissed that a witness didn’t show up for a deposition, even though he had her phone number (which somehow guarantees her appearance, I guess), and he blamed me. And he filed a disciplinary complaint against, which was dismissed outright. Of course, I got the notice of the filing and dismissal a week before I took the Illinois Bar exam so I had to promptly notify them. And then at the next conference he and I got into an arguing match in front of the judge and he “fired me.” The judge kindly pointed out that he couldn’t, but I told the judge it was now a conflict of interest for me to represent him and I would find another public defender from our office to take over.

The next public defender didn’t do anything on the case (he found out it was his case the day of a status conference) and the prosecutor offered a sweetheart deal (which she told me afterward I’d convinced her to offer), which the client took. The client told his new public defender “you did more for me in ten minutes than carrottop ever did.” (I have red hair). When my co-worker told me that…oooohhhh, there was invective.

I found out later that my client had filed disciplinary complaints against his three previous public defenders over the years. I don’t find out the results of the Illinois bar for a few more weeks, so I don’t know if his complaint effected it any. They certainly haven’t asked me for a character interview, so that’s a good sign.

Seriously? You’ve never needed a lawyer? Wow.

I was involved in a fender-bender at age 17 (at a stop sign I rolled into his Bronco going 10 mph, our bumpers didn’t even touch, the wheel on his car stopped mine and dented my hood), which a cop witnessed. I was threatened by the other person involved, who claimed neck injuries, pain and suffering and your usual low life bullshit. My parents’ attorney had to send a nasty letter, reminding them 1) it was bullshit and 2) there was a cop who witnessed it who wrote up in the report that nothing happened and that our bumpers didn’t even touch.

My boyfriend backed over a plastic sign in a Rite-Aid. Probably cost $50 to replace; he went in and told them and gave them his information. He gets a letter demanding $1000 bucks from Rite Aid corporate to make it go away. His family’s attorney sends them a nasty letter, and suddenly it goes away, they don’t even want the $50.

Recently, we learned my social # was stolen when I was 15 and used to open a credit card. Now my attorney is working to get them convinced that I am not the one who maxed out a credit card, since I was 15 when it was opened :smack:.

I could go on, but I’m pretty amazed you’ve never needed a lawyer.

As I say;

Professionals work for you.
If they don’t work for you, find another.

I almost fired my divorce attorney at our first meeting. I was trying to talk and he kept shushing me and making other “stop talking” noises. I stopped, gave him a stern look and said “If you don’t allow me to speak, this isn’t going to work out very well”. He got the hint and stopped doing it. Frankly, I was so pissed at his unprofessional behavior in fucking shushing me that even after I got home, I was still considering calling a different attorney and then calling him and telling him to fuck off.

Although he did a competent job with my case, I still would not recommend him to anyone else based on his behavior at that first meeting.

I haven’t fired a lawyer, but last week I had to hire a lawyer to make the lawyer I was paying provide some needed paperwork.

The original lawyer has done nothing concerning my fathers estate, and I need proof that I signed over my third of the house to my BIL, and that he will make monthly payments to me. My brother is also waiting for a title to our fathers car that he now has, and proof that he signed over his third of the house.

Thinking about it now, I guess I have fired a lawyer. Too bad I had to hire another one to do it.

Been around for a few decades myself, and I’ve never needed one either.

I don’t even know how I would go about finding one, except calling Asimovian, or possibly my grandparents.

Just don’t ever come to me after a divorce, m’kay? :wink:

I’ve no idea how normal this is but it cheesed me off. Had a court date for a child support hearing which was going to be quick and easy since the other party wasn’t going to show up. Lawyer shows up late after they’ve already started calling cases and skipped mine and, as a result, we’re bumped down to the afternoon. Lawyer goes off and does someone else’s case (actually I think it was two cases) before mine comes up at 3:00ish.

After the event, she bills me hourly for the entire day including the time she was off doing other hearings. The office was unhelpful in assisting me with this.

That was the end of my need for a lawyer so I never “fired” her but I won’t be back to her. I actually had a different lawyer but she sent me a letter a week or so before court saying her caseload wouldn’t allow her to assist me so I was getting bounced to this other lawyer. Same law office though so I don’t know if that would have mattered to have my original lawyer.