Have you seen the ring ? I am confused and I need answers. :: SPOILERS::

Let’s see:
A Star Wars/Star Trek “Heavies” death-match:
Enterprise-A Night In Sick Bay ( 1 2 )
Upcoming Enterprise news spoilerish

In other words, three totally different threads. Unless ‘A Night In Sick Bay’ was the upcoming news. I wouldn’t know as I have not read those threads.

As opposed to:
Okay - spoil The Ring for me, 'cause I’m a scaredy cat
“The Ring”: The questions, and the debate (and the SPOILERS!)
The Ring-OMG (spoilers)
Have you seen the ring ? I am confused and I need answers. :: SPOILERS::

In other words, four threads with identical content, at least judging from the titles. And if you review the threads in question, you will see that their resemblance is more than title-deep.

So I would venture to guess that their existence is probably not for the same reason.

It’s not a big deal, though. I was just sayin’.

She never slept, period. Even in the psych hospital, she never slept.

I think the dad said the girl was tormented by the images in her head and wanted others to suffer them to. And she had the power to make it happen.

So, what’s your interpretation of the video? The Japanese one was very simplistic and easy to unerstand. People walking backwards were tormented souls/possible victims; a man on the shore with a towel over his head; another doomed soul sending a type of warning; newspaper clippings of the mother’s premonitions; the shot of the mirror; and the shot looking up from the well. Very simple, basic, and easy to interrpret.
The director talked about updating the video so the images were more prominant to an “American Audience”, so we had a lot of simple things that were all explained in time: The chair, the ladder, the horses dying, the burning tree…all fairly easy stuff. As well as a few more symbolic things, like the maggots turning into the bodies swimming together (again, a representation of tortured souls).

But the image of the intestines being pulled out of the mouth baffle me.  I just assume it was shock value, but can anyone else place some signifigance on this image?

I think you’re thinking of the scene where the mother pulled an electrode and its wire from her mouth. The significance of that would be the corresponding electrodes hooked to Samara in the hospital.

Noo, the very first image in the video after the initial ring shot is a closeup of an open mouth with the intestines being pulled out of it. I could kinda see the correlation, but still…it seemed a bit much.

Ohhh, yes. I’d forgotten about that particular image.

I’m not sure what the significance of that is. There is also a part of the movie with fingers wriggling around in a box and another with a finger going through a nail. I’m not sure what they pertain to either. I suppose one could stretch and say that the fingers were relating to her trying to scratch through the well, tearing off fingernails and such in the process.

The intestines, though, I can’t really say. The closest I can figure is that it ties in with the movie’s theme of nobody listening to the children. The mouth in that shot is “spilling its guts,” so to speak.

A lame try, I know.

During the scenes with Rachel in the well, isn’t there a split-second flashback to the finger-and-nail image, as she looks at the wall scratched with lines? Or did I imagine that?

So long as I’m posting, I’ll say that I think the girl was just evil, from the start. I remember thinking that if it had been an original American movie, the filmmakers probably would have included an explicit deal with Satan or some other evil force.

Nope, it was there. I remember because I saw the version of “the video” that was going around the net before I saw the movie, and that was the only part that disturbed me. So I was waiting for it during the whole movie as each of the video’s other images were ticked off one-by-one.

Now hang on a second. In one of the other threads, a poster points out that the original Japanese version makes it more explicit that the daughter was a demon/ogre/spirit/whatever. (I can’t say; I’ve never seen or read the original). I just hate hearing people always assume that foreign films have more subtlety or depth than American movies by default.

I have seen all the Japanese ‘Ring’ movies, and I have to say, they were a lot better than this new American one.

As Sol Grundy said, American films are not less subtle by default. But, I think a case can be made for that where the ‘Ring’ movies are concerned. In the Japanese versions, the little girl (Sadako) is never specifically portrayed as being evil. And the question of “why is she killing people, then?” is answered in a different way. Her soul split in two- the ‘good’ half of her soul left her body at death and went on. The ‘bad’ half of her soul went out into the world to take revenge for the terrible treatment she received while living.

In the Japanese prequel to 'Ring', we actually learn that her soul split before her death, creating two Sadakos- the good one who grew up lovely and tried to make a normal life for herself, and the bad one who was kept imprisoned by the doctor so she could not cause trouble for her other half or the rest of the world. It is the spirit of the bad one who takes over the body of the good Sadako after she is murdered the first time and continues killing. Th good soul has already left- it is the Sadako possessed by the evil half of her soul that the doctor brains with a hammer and tosses in the well.

Obviously, this needed to be condensed for American audiences generally unfamiliar with such concepts as the transmigration of souls.

Also, the question of Sadako’s parentage in the Japanese version is often alluded to, but never directly explained. We think we know she’s not completely human, but we’re never sure. We’re told a similar story about a strange birth- namely, Sadako’s mother gets pregnant, and goes off to a cave by the sea to have the baby. She returns without it. Three days later, she shows up with the baby again. No explanation from her is forthcoming, although we are meant to assume she had intended to abandon the baby after birth and allow the incoming tide to drown it. Her suddenly appearing with the baby leads us to assume her infanticidal plans were foiled. By whom or what, we are never told. Maybe Mom knew something the villagers only darkly suspected? Or maybe we’re simple supposed to believe she was going to abandon the baby because she was unmarried and poor, very unpopular in the village, and obviously unable to support a child.

In the new American version, I sense a strong “The Omen”/“Rosemary’s Baby” undercurrent. Similar to the Japanese version, but more fully explained. Americans, when confronted with evil in cinematic form, by past experience automatically ascribe it to the Judaeo-Christian devil. A Japanese audience would be more likely to ascribe such things to some nameless, undefined, and more unknown ‘evil force’. Or not- I’ve spoken to Japanese friends about the ‘Ring’ movies, and their take on Sadako was that even if she wasn’t completely human, her evil and her wish for revenge had more to do with her completely human mother: unwanted children are angry, and must be appeased. A baby left to die who does not die is obviously dangerous- it could only be anger, and a wish for revenge that is keeping them alive. Her semi-human status just gave her a better ability to carry out that revenge.

I felt that a lot of the curse video in the American version was simply designed to shock, especially the intestines bit, and the horses dying. They seemed to be just cinematic clues saying “she’s weird and bad!”, while the Japanese curse video actually conveyed a message, namely why this woman is angry, and what must be done to appease her.

Maybe the fundamental difference in the two versions is the reason (or lack thereof) for Sadako/Samara’s evil. Samara is evil just 'cause- she was born bad, possibly satanic, and that’s all that needs to be said. Sadako, on the other hand, is made evil through poor treatment and the violation of social mores- a baby abandoned, a girl shunned, a mother’s betrayal and suicide. It might be a fundamental difference in the way evil is viewed in the two cultures, at least cinematicaly: in America, evil is an ever-present random force, unknowable and totally without explanation. In Japan, evil is generally the end result of human action or inaction.

I agree with the latter. The look on her face is quite malicious.

And am I misremembering, or does she say something to Rachel in that film? I thought I remembered her saying “Rachel”

ratty ? how the hell to people make those really annoying extra wide posts ?

I watched the film last week. Truly scary, particularly the coming-out-of-the-TV scene. I still don´t get the “you were not suppossed to help her” line. If making a copy and spreading the message (which Rachel had done) were sufficient to save you, why would it matter whether Rachel helped Samara or not: She was already freed from the curse.

Did saving her allowed Samara’s powers to grow? Is that why she was able to physically get out of the TV and kill Rachel’s ex with her little, dirty, evil hands, rather than doing her killing via indirect means as she had done prior to that?

Why would Rachel’s kid be more “attuned” to Samara’s intentions than everyone else?

How many films / books are there in total?

How did Rachel take the fly out of the screen?

Why on earth was a house built over the well where Samara had been killed?

Just saw this last night, and read ALL about it today.

RE: “You weren’t supposed to help her.”
I believe it did allow her powers to spread. Also, if all the tapes get destroyed, the cycle is broken. It’s like a pyramid scheme. Sure, SHE can make a copy and have her son watch it, and HE can make a copy and have someone else watch it, and THEY can make a copy, etc. but eventually you run out of people.

RE: Why he’s more “attuned.”
There are lots of similarities between Samara’s family and the boy’s family. A few sites I went to suggested that part of her was reincarnated as him.

RE: fly
This was a precursor to the things in the film becoming real, e.g. the lighthouse, tree, well, and ultimately Samara herself.

RE: well
Samara’s mother felt guilt over killing her, perhaps told her husband about what happened. They (or just he, after her suicide) felt guilty about the whole thing and built the cabin over the well.

NOTE: those are just my guesses based on one viewing of the movie and perusing of several sites.

As for the house over the well, why wouldn’t you build one? I assume the builders weren’t aware there was a corpse in the covered well, so why not build a house around/on top of it? It was a happy coincidence for Samara, however.

I disagree that the Japanese version was better. Maybe its because I say the US first, and thus knew the major plot turns, but the Japanese version went into too much detail about what Sadako (the Japanese Samara) was exactly. She was explicitly a force of evil, an evil psychic and quite possibly the child of a demon or something.

Samara was, in contrast, never well defined. She was vaguely a “thing that should not have been” and until the final scene we’re left wondering if she was just misunderstood and abused, and now seeking just revenge and recognition, or truly evil. There’s way too much yammering about psychics in “Ringu”. Evil the male lead (video guy in the US version) is psychic in Japan.

Plus, there’s no horses in “Ringu”. The horses were freaking scary.

This occurred to me a while back…I reckon there’s not much point in messing with spoiler boxes at this point, so here goes:

So Rachel’s on the ferry, and the horse freaks out. But why? By that point in the movie, she had already copied the tape and shown it to Noah; the curse on her had been lifted days ago.

The only possible explanation I can think of is if the “touch” of Samara or whatever lingers on beyond the curse. So, will Rachel be unable to approach a horse for the rest of her life?

Just a little insight into the original novels, as written by Suzuki Koji.

Sadako (Samara) is born (or “born”, whichever you think) not only half-demon, but also a sort of hermaphrodite.

Blah blah blah, stuff you can deduce from the movies …

Ok, Sadako is walking in the woods with a guy. Guy, here, happens to be one of the last people left in Japan to be infected with smallpox. Guy decides to rape Sadako, finds out her shameful secret. She has some supernatural powers, and mentally yells “I’mma kill you!”. Guy freaks out and kills her, throws Sadako down a well. She’s now infected with smallpox, by the way. Anyway, Sadako just stews for a while, then she turns into a VIRUS! The thing that’s killing pple is not a curse, it’s actually a strain of smallpox loaded with sadako’s evil DNA. And it acts like a virus. It wants to reproduce, hence the rule that you have to show other people the video to survive. The point is, once you are infected, you become sadako in a sense.

So … I forgot my point go read this: http://ringworld.somrux.com/index.htm

I have a hypothesis about this which is directly related to the fact that the three main characters (the girl, her ex, and their son) all watched the tape at seperate times.

Perhaps the tape only actually killed the last person who watched it. Perhaps the woman was immune because she showed it to her ex.

However, her ex did not share it with anyone…the sone watched it on his own. I’m not sure why he did, but kids are oftentimes curious. He was more in tune quite possibly because he was just a kid.

The lady quite possibly could have lived because she was the one who actually rescued the girl. Plus, she showed a bit of evil at the end by implying that she was going to have someone else watch the tape. Perhaps the evil had moved on.

And we don’t get to see whether or not the son lives. I have a feeling he will die in the sequel. Copying the tape had nothing to do with it…the mother lived because she had actually been trapped in the well for a bit. She saw The Ring in person and lived to tell about it

Finally, we don’t really get to see how anyone else dies. We just see a split second of some disturbing special effects. We don’t know if the girl actually came out of the TV for anyone else. Perhaps she had a different method of execution for everybody.

However, the one part of the movie that baffles me is this: why wasn’t she supposed to help the girl? My answer? Because she has becomd the girl. She has killed someone with the videotape…and she intends to do it again. If her son dies too, that will be three.

I’m probably wrong…but the movie completely baffles me otherwise.

FWIW, that’s the impression I got. And in the original, the covering on the well was translated as a “seal” if that helps any. (It may have just been the translator taking liberties with the translation; it’s not like I went back to check or anything.)

Okay. Ya’ll got my curiosity up. Gonna go see it this afternoon… by myself even… :eek: