Have you seen the ring ? I am confused and I need answers. :: SPOILERS::

I just saw the ring today and I’m confused. If you saw it can you answer my few , simple , questions? Great ! I knew you would.

::SPOILERS ::: !!!

  1. Why did the anna woman kill the little girl ? Was it because the little girl was freakin evil?

  2. Was I supposed to feel sorry for the little girl ? Wasnt she really freakin evil?

  3. Was the video supposed to be like her " Curse " ?
    That is all. After these questions you probably think i didnt eve see the movie , but I did I was just a little preocupied with being scared out my wits by that scene where the little girl climbs out of the well. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

  1. Yep. Freakin’ evil. I woulda made sure she was dead first, personally.

  2. You were, until you found out that she was freakin’ evil. They’re messin’ wit’ yo head, man!

  3. She wanted her story to be heard, I think. If you don’t help spread it around, she gets…peevish.

Thank you . since my curiosity has been spawned I have another question.

  1. Okay so the dad kept evil girl in the barn. Since she was freakin evil , is that why the horses killed themselves? If it was , why did the horse on the boat kill itself ? could he sense the " revenge " on that woman ?

I don’t think she was necessarily evil. She said that she couldn’t help sending her thoughts out.

After being in a pitch black well for seven days those thoughts weren’t the most bright and cheerful thoughts, but the girl wasn’t evil.

Because she was driven mad by having another person’s thoughts and dreams in her head.

She wasn’t evil, she was unable to control her psychic ability, she was a transmitter with no “OFF” switch.

more like a testament than a “curse”.

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The horses killed themselves because they were driven mad. The horse on the boat presumably sensed death, or possibly the engram/message of the videotape.

I dunno. I sensed some definite maliciousness there, in the girl. I mean,

she did kill the video guy, after all. And after he helped her “get out”, too.

Now, I have a question: at one point in the film, there appeared to be stuff on the film, as if it were dirty, or something. Was that part of the movie, or did my theatre get a bad copy?

I aggree with minor irritant. If they helped the " alleged " evil girl then why still did she kill him? Maybe Grendel is right but I still think that that little girl was really freakin evil. Lots of people die and lots of people were murdered etc… But why did she have to curse the rest of the world with an evil tape? Oh yeah , Where did that little brat get a camera ? See she’s a little , freakin evil shoplifter! ( I was just kidding about the shoplifter thing)

That was because he didn’t copy the tape. I think that the girl’s spirit was twisted during her time in the well, and she will definitely kill those who don’t spread her message, but before she was killed she wasn’t evil.
The whole movie seems to me to be about communication between adults and children, and the girl suffers because she can’t shut off her psychic communication and can’t explain to adults what is going on.

There were a few “Fight Club” type subliminal images during the film- the ring appears at one point, at other points the video has digital glitches…

She didn’t need a camera. Remember the images she produced on film in the hospital? Remember when video dude pointed out that the video couldn’t have been shot with a camera due to not making a reflection in a mirror, leaving no timecode, etc…

Grendel , I was kidding, read parenthaseis. I knew about the whole “no camera” thing. I was just making a small stab at humor

OK, sorry, Flowerchild

I don’t think the tape was so much a curse, as it was a message… notice that she doesn’t kill those who make a copy and spread the message/virus.

I’m very curious about one part of the film that was designed to give a bit more insight into the little girl’s character. It’s while Rachel’s watching the hospital video of her interview, where the doctor tells her “You don’t want to hurt people.” To which she responds “But I do. And I’m sorry, but it won’t stop.”

I’m curious as to weather she meant it as “I know I don’t want to hurt people, but I can’t help it,” or if it was more “But I do want to hurt people. Sorry to upset you, but I’m not going to stop.”

I personally feel it’s a bit more of the later, which makes her out to be a lot more evil than simply misunderstood. Either way, once she died, she didn’t give a shit about being misunderstood or “heard.” If having her story heard was all she cared about, then having a newspaper reporter find your body and report it to the police would have had plenty of news coverage and her story would have been heard that way. So, why keep killing? Because, as the little kid says “You weren’t supposed to help her.” She didn’t want her story heard, she just wanted to hurt people for making her suffer.

Oh, I know she killed VG because he didn’t copy the tape - but the fact that she kills people who don’t copy it does imply that she’s evil. And she didn’t kill 'em nicely, either…I see horrifically contorted mutilated bodies, I’m thinking evil.
Whether she was evil or not before getting dumped in the well is open to debate - I didn’t pick up on the double meaning in that “I can’t help it” quote, but that does make sense, either way. But I’d say she definitely was afterwards.

Of course, if it does well enough, they might make a sequel explaining that, as (I think) they did in Japan, for the original.

Elvis, I was going to mention that scene as well. And I agree with your interpretation that she meant she wanted to hurt people.

When the scene is shown the first time as Rachel watched the video transcript, the girl’s head is down so her hair is blocking her face and you can’t make out her expression. At that point, I interpreted her statement as meaning that she didn’t want to hurt people but couldn’t help it.

Later, when Rachel remembers that statement from the tape and the scene is shown again, I think it was slightly different. The second time through, I thought the girl’s face was more visible and clearly showed a malicious grin. At that point, I realized (along with Rachel) that the girl really meant that she did want to hurt people. Thus making her really freakin’ evil.

If I watch it again, I will be on the lookout for that slight difference in the scene. I don’t think I imagined it, but you never know. . . But I do think that the girl was at least a little evil from the very start.

Remember that newspaper article about the horse rider being seriously hurt in a fall? I thought there was a subtle implication that the girl may have had something to do with that. And the doctor Rachel talked to seemed to think there was something kinda bad or evil about the little girl. Her comments about Darby made it seem as if she didn’t believe it would’ve been possible to love the little girl like a parent can still love a child that is otherwise ‘different’.

Anyway, maybe she had previously been only a tad evil and it wasn’t until she was killed that she progressed to full-blown really freakin’ evil. But I believe she was bad news right from the start.

Elvis, I was going to mention that scene as well. And I agree with your interpretation that she meant she wanted to hurt people.

When the scene is shown the first time as Rachel watched the video transcript, the girl’s head is down so her hair is blocking her face and you can’t make out her expression. At that point, I interpreted her statement as meaning that she didn’t want to hurt people but couldn’t help it.

Later, when Rachel remembers that statement from the tape and the scene is shown again, I think it was slightly different. The second time through, I thought the girl’s face was more visible and clearly showed a malicious grin. At that point, I realized (along with Rachel) that the girl really meant that she did want to hurt people. Thus making her really freakin’ evil.

If I watch it again, I will be on the lookout for that slight difference in the scene. I don’t think I imagined it, but you never know. . . But I do think that the girl was at least a little evil from the very start.

Remember that newspaper article about the horse rider being seriously hurt in a fall? I thought there was a subtle implication that the girl may have had something to do with that. And the doctor Rachel talked to seemed to think there was something kinda bad or evil about the little girl. Her comments about Darby made it seem as if she didn’t believe it would’ve been possible to love the little girl like a parent can still love a child that is otherwise ‘different’.

Anyway, maybe she had previously been only a tad evil and it wasn’t until she was killed that she progressed to full-blown really freakin’ evil. But I believe she was bad news right from the start.

Elvis, I was going to mention that scene as well. And I agree with your interpretation that she meant she wanted to hurt people.

When the scene is shown the first time as Rachel watched the video transcript, the girl’s head is down so her hair is blocking her face and you can’t make out her expression. At that point, I interpreted her statement as meaning that she didn’t want to hurt people but couldn’t help it.

Later, when Rachel remembers that statement from the tape and the scene is shown again, I think it was slightly different. The second time through, I thought the girl’s face was more visible and clearly showed a malicious grin. At that point, I realized (along with Rachel) that the girl really meant that she did want to hurt people. Thus making her really freakin’ evil.

If I watch it again, I will be on the lookout for that slight difference in the scene. I don’t think I imagined it, but you never know. . . But I do think that the girl was at least a little evil from the very start.

Remember that newspaper article about the horse rider being seriously hurt in a fall? I thought there was a subtle implication that the girl may have had something to do with that. And the doctor Rachel talked to seemed to think there was something kinda bad or evil about the little girl. Her comments about Darby made it seem as if she didn’t believe it would’ve been possible to love the little girl like a parent can still love a child that is otherwise ‘different’.

Anyway, maybe she had previously been only a tad evil and it wasn’t until she was killed that she progressed to full-blown really freakin’ evil. But I believe she was bad news right from the start.

Certainly the movie is constructed so that it can be read either way, as in the scene Elvis mentioned. I just feel that it fits better thematically if she wasn’t eeevil.
I definitely plan to see it again, but I’m not sure her message was necessarily just about how she died… I can’t help but suspect that, like the doctor’s autistic son, the girl is unable to express herself so that others can understand her- hence the disjointed nature of the video. If all she wanted to do was kill people, why bother with the video at all? Why spare those who made copies? She has started a chain-letter now to spread her message.
I also need to pay more attention to the son’s drawings next time I see it.

I have a question, too.

Do we seriously need FOUR THREADS on this movie, each one rehashing exactly the same material?

And they’re currently all on the front page of the forum.

Probably the same reason there are three Star Trek threads on page one of the forum: people want to talk about it.

I’m convinced she is pure evil:

  1. there was a document showing that the couple had several attempts at having a child but miscarried each time
  2. the doctor on the island mentioned that the couple went away during a winter and came back with the girl as adopted
  3. another document revealed that the girl was not adopted but in fact was a “live birth”; that is, the couple did not adopt her

The reason why I think she is evil is because I believe the couple made a pact with the devil or some evil entity and Samara was the result. Samara as a spawn of evil would explain why the horses went mad - they sensed the evil that was Samara and tried to get away from her.

  1. Samara never slept. She never slept because the horses kept her awake since they were afraid of her (animals sensing evil type of thing);
  2. the doctor mentioned that ever since Samara left the island, things “got better” - when Samara was still on the island, there were some anomolies such as poor fishing and “hard times”;
  3. everybody who watched the video were “touched by evil” - the distortions visible on cameras and photographs was an indication of her power, which seemed to have some sort of electromagnetic effect
    6a) the nails in the cabin were being unscrewed when the water from the TV touched them - it could possibly be a result of the EM effect in the “mundane” or “living” world

The tape seems more like a collection of images that she saw, not necessarily her holding a camcorder back in the late 70’s, which gave a sort of random yet significant collection of images.