Health care is not classified as a profit orientated business, at least not here…
It’s about caring & helping sick/ill people to get/become better and healthy again.
If I want a “next, please” experience I’ll got to the supermarket.
Wow, Doughbag and Fuji get the award for cooperative idiocy spotting. I can’t believe I missed those. I must have gotten curlcoat overload and started skimming.
These two ideas are particularly dumb: 1) being a leading nation means you “have to keep running off making war everywhere” and 2) that if the US were to stop being a leading nation, the world would miss out on all that medical innovation we do. Nah, it could never happen that whatever nations were to take our place as world leaders might correspondingly increase their contributions to medical research. Or that ours might decline if our economic strength wanes. We’re USA, damn it. Fuck yeah!
I’m still quietly chuckling at the idea that universal healthcare is a bad idea because there’s no Europe-wide healthcare agency.
OK, I missed that one but you also didn’t address whether or not you had any financial help from them.
You know, you keep saying that as if you know it to be true, but it isn’t. Back in the mid 70’s, there were no scholarships available to non-athlete females unless she had a 4.0+ GPA, and even then those were only partial. Plus, I wasn’t eligible for many scholarships because my father’s income was too high.
Uh, you kind of skipped over a bunch of years in there, you know between high school and when I was finally able to get that good job? That’s when I was living on one meal a day that I got from the restaurant I worked at, in a house with no heat? While you were living on scholarships and whatever else?
I didn’t say anything of the kind. You are the one insisting that anyone with good grades can get a scholarship and go to college. That may be true today, but it wasn’t in 1975 in Washington.
Well, there’s this for the 2.1 reproduction rate. The crowding one is harder as it appears that anything that looks promising is not available online or requires one sign up for it. I did find this one - a pdf - but other than that everything appears to be unavailable online.
The thing is, you aren’t “better” than me. You make illogical leaps of assumption (I don’t believe I’ve ever watched a soap opera) and your opinions are based on what you read online, on one subject. That is neither mature nor intelligent.
I didn’t say anything about who got the money, I said that the taxpayer ended up paying for the bailout.
I call bullshit on this one. You had to have a 4.0 GPA to get only a partial scholarship because you were female? What a bunch of crap.
Plus, you are confusing scholarships for academic merit (which generally do not care how much money your parents have) with bursaries, which are needs bases, and DO care how much money your parents have.
If we can’t manage healthcare across one piddling continent, how the fuck are we going to cover the entire universe?
So let’s read again what you DID say:
Normally, when one makes a specific reference to a particular person/group of people (in this case, ‘people being irresponsible’) and follows immediately afterwards with the use of the word ‘them’, the reading audience is safe to assume that ‘them’ refers directly to those people being irresponsible buying houses they knew they couldn’t afford.
See how it works?
Uh, I’m not the one assuming that “less work” means a lot less work. Those of you who are looking for victims might wish to do that, but I tend to make decisions based on facts, not assumptions. Particularly not those that neatly fit with what I want to believe.
Oh, let’s pretend that there is absolutely no way that anyone could make enough money in six months to cover all their bills for the whole year, given that the person is living within their means. No, it’s far better for your desire to believe that everyone who is having any sort of tough time that they are a completely innocent victim and not that money is being wasted. You sound like you think we are talking about picking fruit here.
No, we don’t and I wish we’d stop doing it. On the other hand, it seems that we are doing it with the blessing of most of Europe, and maybe even due to pressure from there. Dunno, but I do know that there is no way that TPTB in the US are going to quit making war all over in the near future.
Nope, but quite a few of them are, and they are very expensive to come up with.
That isn’t what I said, which was why is it that Europe doesn’t have one all encompassing UHC instead of each little country having their own version?
So, your answer to the poor job that our social systems are doing, and all of the damage they have done - is to create another, even bigger social system?
OK, I’ll pretend that everyone involved with health care over there is only interested in caring about the sick folks. The reality here is that our hospitals tend to be owned by big corporations, our doctors tend to have student loans and malpractice insurance to pay for, none of our labs can run tests for free. You want to just wipe all of that out and - what? Have our government buy and run them?
And what about research into cures, new procedures, new equipment, new drugs? Would that still go on in the financial rewards weren’t so high?
See, this is what so many people don’t seem to get, particularly those of you who have had a UHC all of your lives. Over here, we already have a huge for profit medical industry - how do you propose that all of that be folded into a UHC without a bunch of people losing their jobs? Everyone seems to want to ignore that. Or maybe they just don’t have an answer other than they hope it would go well…
Yes, the US system is a huge for profit industry, with the primary purpose to line the pockets of CEO’s and shareholders. Your system is grossly bloated, not with sick people but with too many fat-cats looking to make an extra $ wherever they can.
And yes, some people will indeed lose their jobs. I doubt many actual health-care workers will need to fear redundancy, but those senior executives who have made it their job to make health-care either unaffordable or unavailable to so many US citizens might find themselves in the dole-queue before too long.
With a bitta luck anyway. 
Yes, I am aware of how you get scholarships - I had a 4.0 going into my undergrad and a 4.10 going into grad school. I busted my ass for those grades, thank you very much. As for your fathers income (interesting how your parents are poor or wealthy depending on what’s convenient), as Euphonious Polemic says, that is for bursaries, not scholarships.
Even in the 70’s, scholarships were available for lots of people - sinjin says she had them at that time, and the National Science Foundation, which is still one of the biggest funders of student research in many fields, has existed since 1950 and has supported thousands of students a year since then. Other agencies have been around just as long or longer.
Face it, the only reasons you didn’t go to school is that either you chose not to for some reason, or because you know you didn’t have the grades/brains. Either of those is fine, but quit trying to act like it was impossible for anyone in your position.
Yes, and? Are you under the impression that living on scholarships is living rich? I lived in a damp basement with several other students, with only a single spaceheater, no TV, and extremely limited grocery budget (think ramen noodles and tuna). Occasionally my parents kicked me a little towards groceries, but for the most part I was on my own. You’re not the only one who has struggled to support herself. Not by a long shot.
I kind of don’t want to keep arguing about this stuff with you, but suffice it to say that you are misreading both those articles - the first does nothing to dispel the idea of replacement fertility, instead focusing on immigration and population lag, and the second talks about crowding but as far as I can see doesn’t address reproduction and in any case is theoretical and not based on life in North America. Really, this is science, you don’t get to just say whatever the hell you want.
Shrug. It seems to go hand in hand. The US is looked to “save” all these places all over the globe.
Well, that one I didn’t even say.
Hey, I’d be really happy if they did! Let someone else take on that responsibility for awhile, let the US take care of it’s own people until things get better here.
I don’t really care if you think its a bunch of crap, especially since you didn’t even get the information right. I had a 3.7 (I think? It’s been a very long time) - there was nothing there for me. There might have been partial scholarships for female athletes back then but I’m not sure, and it didn’t matter in my case anyway.
Heck, at the time I graduated from high school there were only two universities in Washington, a small handful of state colleges and some community colleges, so there really wasn’t much in the way of places for scholarships to come from.
Whatever - I didn’t qualify for either.
Yes, I see that since I wasn’t absolutely crystal clear, you use it to pretend that I wasn’t aware that banks were bailed out as well as many mortgages.
Oh, I’m damned sure you were fully aware of the bank bail-outs. But you didn’t call-out the banks for being irresponsible did you? :rolleyes:
OK, now also above you’ve made a claim that INDIVIDUALS with mortgage problems were bailed-out with tax-payer funds. By what criteria did these people manage to attract such assistance? IOW, what were the eligibility conditions? How much were they given? Would you care to elaborate or provide a cite please?
Anxiously awaiting the answer to that one. I’d love a personal bailout.
No, you are misremembering. Your GPA was only 2.3 Your parents would have likely helped but you wasted your senior year slutting around and making an ass of yourself. Remember how you embarrassed them? Anyway, you didn’t even make the basic eligibility requirement for Junior college, much less qualify for a scholarship.
This has led you to become the bitter and twisted old hag that you are today.
Nah, that was me Euphonious Polemic.
I gotta call bullshit on this as well. This is exactly when my mom went to college, on scholarship, and she wasn’t a 4.0 student. Her first year she got a full scholarship, as well.
With the blessing of Europe? Maybe some, which are UN sanctioned, but not all are… and if the UN did not sanction them, Europe did not sanction them.
The EU is working on it, but it will take time and it is not an urgent pressing matter since ALL member states/nations already have UHC.
Also, if I travel from Spain to Germany over France to Ireland, I am covered everywhere, since I’m an EU citizen.
Also, how old is the EU and how long where the member states independent nations with their own law’s? Longer than the US existed?
A lot of writing and negotiation needs to be done between each nation to come up with a centralized system. But I think we have more imported things to sort before that will happen, because EACH MEMBER of the EU ALREADY HAS UHC.
Since it’s a poor job… do a proper job
The Health care SYSTEM is not profit orientated.
Each individual needs wages or compensation for services etc… Slavery is illegal over here.
People need getting paid. Medicine & equipment needs to be bought.
Don’t tell me Obama as an individual is not getting paid for his services by the country?
We have some privately run hospitals here… where the hospital is a company.
For their services, they get reimbursed from the health insurance, which is run by the Health Minister, who is working for the government.
If there is a market for developing drugs and somebody can make money with it, then there are company that will do it.
That’s like saying, since we have a Police force, we do not need locks on our doors, Alarm systems, Security Guards, Bodyguards etc.
Would you feel happy with a “Privat Police Force”? So, if you don’t pay your premium or didn’t read the fine print or your employer fired you, the Police does not have to help you when you get burgled, robbed, raped, killed etc…
So, by what you say…when I got to a hospital here in Ireland, there is NO staff and if there is, they do NOT get paid?
There is NO Doctor and if there is he/she wont get paid?
All these people are just hanging out at the hospital and just happen to be nurses and doctors, right?
I hardly hear of any hospital closing in Europe, where as in the US this happens quite regular.
Title IX was passed in 1972. Just how old *are *you?
I promised myself I wouldn’t get back into this train wreck, but as I am a fervent proponent of continuing, or adult, education that I simply cannot just let this pass.
Curlcoat, honey, you don’t get just the one shot at higher education, i.e., when you’re 18 and just graduated from high school. Colleges will let older people enroll, too!
I started college at 23 and worked full time. I was a part time undergraduate for ten years, because it was important to me to get an education and no one was going to hand it to me (which you seem to think is the only way to go). I applied for every scholarship out there - there are many and not just from a specific college - but I had to be pro-active and look for them. I didn’t just sit around waiting for someone to offer me money (which you apparently were). At several points I worked for colleges who gave tuition remission (free classes) as am employee perk. Lots of companies do that because they want an educated workforce. My daughter attended classes paid for by Blue Cross when she worked for them. It’s a common employee benefit. The point is: anyone who wants to attend college will find a way!
You could have gone to college any time in the past 30 years. You CHOSE not to. So stop trying to blame everyone except yourself for your lack of education. You could attend college right now, but you have your all-purpose excuse/whine: “I’m disabled.” So you choose even today to wallow and revel in, and spew, your obvious ignorance.
She’s still living in the 50’s when everything was honky dory… she stated somewhere, that her husband is going into retirement soon.
So, basically she just wants to ride out the rest of her life and doesn’t give a fuck about the rest of the nation/world, since no one gives a fuck about her.