Many colleges offer online classes now. So even if she’s too disabled to ever leave her house, she’s clearly abled enough to sit down and type on her computer, as she has proven quite abundantly to all of us here.
No, you’re the one assuming “less work” means “not significantly less work” despite the fact that he’s giving “less work” as the reason he’s not getting health coverage year round. Rather than the most likely reason, which is that “less work” means he doesn’t make enough money, you’re assuming that his reasoning is “gee, I’m working less, so I’m much less likely to get injured, so I’ll waste my money on other stuff besides healthcare.”
It’s not a good lie if we both know you’re lying:
This is just pathetic. Is this your way of defending your statements? “Shrug. It seems to go hand in hand”? You wouldn’t accept that from anyone else, why do you try to get away with it?
Man, I hate it when people who just want to coast through life not putting in the work to get the things they want complain about not having things handed to them.
innocent look
What?
And no concern for all of those employed by the insurance companies and the R&D workers?
As I have said before, my parents were very poor when I was born, things slowly got better until I was about 10, when my father finally graduated and got his first job. At that point we were lower middle class and stayed there until at least when I left at 18. When I went right back to very poor.
Face it, there is absolutely no way you can know what was or was not available to me at that time. No, I didn’t have the grades in the sense that I didn’t have a 4.0 but I did have far better grades than the football players who got full scholarships to the U of W or WSU, or out of state universities. There were some partial specialty scholarships available, but I couldn’t afford to accept those, if I’d qualified (I didn’t look into it since I knew I couldn’t accept them).
This really shows you have no idea what poor is. You had heat, food and parents to fall back on. I had no heat, one meal a day and no support system. The only place money came from was whatever I could earn. You were being paid to go to school, I was trying to stay alive. If you cannot see the difference, you have no idea what poverty is.
You haven’t been - all you’ve been doing is insisting I’m wrong and you are right. With no proof.
Why is it you all frequently try to change the subject? This subject is not big business - i.e., banks. Tho I do find it quite interesting that big business is always evil, but big government isn’t. As if there is any real difference in their results.
No, I’m tired of this game. You don’t live here, you have no clue and therefore I have no responsibility to you. All I’m going to say is this - apply logic. Why was it necessary to bail out those banks, and what was the result? Try thinking.
Fuck are you talking about? We’re not even in the top ten for per capita spending on foreign aid.
Because they made stupid loans, thinking they could continue growing fat from high interest payments indefinitely?
The European Union? It is much younger than the US. As for the independent nations, it’s kind of hard to tell since WWII changed things around so much.
Are you getting an idea of why it wouldn’t be at all easy, and maybe a disaster, for the US to install a UHC?
Given the history of social programs in the US, how likely do you think it is that this one would be done properly?
None of this has anything to do with what I said.
If a UHC is all about holding down medical costs, there won’t be much if any money to be made in developing drugs. R&D is very expensive, so the return on investment has to be high.
Uh, no it isn’t.
Again, this has nothing to do with what I said.
What does that have to do with anything? I graduated high school in 1975, but it isn’t like Title IX suddenly created a whole pile of full scholarships for somewhat better than average students.
To the poster that was discussing this issue with me. I’m sorry, you have good questions and points and I’m not ignoring you, I just simply cannot keep up with the other lengthy side plot! 
I see people are still trying to reason with the Curlinator. It is futile. You are wrong and The Curlinator is right. It doesn’t matter how many cites you post. The Curlnator will not look at them or care and you will still be wrong. It doesn’t matter how many times you ask The Curlinator to post a cite. The Curlinator will ignore you and just keep Curlinating on.
The Curlinator will also have the last word in this thread.
The whole point of the Curlinators existance is to have the last word in a thread.
You are being trolled by the elitest machine of troll hardware put out today. Ladies and gentlemen: The Curlinator.
It’s just a rotten shame that her words are meaningless really. I mean, individually the words all make sense. Put together though…
It’s true, but I think I am actually starting to enjoy it.
Not that it matters but the baby is fine and went home to live with her parents over 2 weeks ago. Since her mom is a nurse she is going to stay home to take care of her.
I believe I’m allowed to say this these days … if you have the Curlinator on ignore these threads can get quite entertaining, since the juciest bits are quoted inother people’s replies.
OTOH, I don’t know how you guys who are actually reading the original posts do it. Aren’t your brains whimpering and trying to escape out your ears or something?
Come again?
The UK is around like? 5 months?
France is around like? 7 weeks?
Never mind Germany, Italy, Spain, Sweden…they are all just brand NEW countries. The USA was way longer there… :smack:
What exactly has R&D with UHC to do?
Does the Police build their own guns?
Difficult, maybe. But not impossible. More expensive? NO. Since you already have the most expensive system with poor results.
But do YOU see that the benefits for the public (meaning you as well) are much better than for the system you have right now?
Also, a cure for cancer… where…US or…?
http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=2009071143333
All I’m saying is, the US is not the only country spending money on R&D.
The location of the Institute is secondary these days, where the money comes from, is the primary concern, and the source of money is not just the USA.
Shaking our heads and wondering if there is a “bot” answering filling out the replies.
I can say this about her:
-She is relentless
-Doesn’t back down
-Ignores (any) facts (wrong or right)
-better grammar and spell checking ability (which does not make arguments right or wrong, unless your the curlinator) than me
-Kinda like ROM (Read Only Memory) in computers, no new instructions can be added.
Now, since it’s a free country (here and there) she is entitled to her opinion, however ridicules it may be (in this case).
So you’re saying that you had young parents who were still working on their careers when you were small, then moved up in the world a bit, and then when you left home you had little money. You don’t say! You realize that describes a huge number of families - it sounds downright typical to me.
Okay, I have to ask. Just what in the hell were you doing!? You were young, reasonably healthy, able to work, no dependants, no children, no mortgage, no debts. You cite several sources of work that were available to you. I spent 5 years out of school between degrees and two years of that I supported myself entirely on a minimum wage retail job in a large urban center and still managed to pay rent, bills, heck even heat. It was damn cushy compared to how I lived in school. Your budgeting skills must be pretty shit if you were really living like that while working as much as you claim you did.
I really like it when she falls back on claiming spelling and grammar as the high ground. It cracks me the hell up. “I am Curlinator! I am impervious to logic or knowledge, but fear my spelling!”.
Arguing with her is pointless, and I know that. It’s fun to point out her hypocrisy but nothing gets through that incredibly thick skull. Arguing about science with her is like arguing with a toddler about bedtime - she is sure her position is airtight, but actually it only makes sense in her tiny addled brain, and because it makes no sense it is impossible to form an arguement against it. You just have to wait until she leaves the room so the adults can have a good snicker at her expense.
Well of course they do. However, by the time I would have been able to actually afford to go to college, I had learned a trade and was making decent money.
Oh, sure, working two or three jobs was sitting around waiting for someone to offer me money…
Oh please. When have I blamed anyone for my not being able to go to college after high school? Stating reasons is not the same thing as assigning blame - well, at least it isn’t for mature folk. And as for my “all purpose whine”, you all bring up me being disabled far more often than I do. Yes, I could go to college now, but the question is why? Why should I spend money for no reason? Like it or not, I will never hold another job.
No, see, I assumed nothing, I asked and was given no answer except it was none of my business. Seems to me that someone who is demanding I pay more in taxes so they can have a benefit from the government doesn’t really have the right to say it is none of my business to ask why they need it.
Yes, it is pathetic when you take something that is completely tangent to the discussion and try to dissect it to make me look bad. Just makes you look foolish.
Huh - I didn’t realize that going to war someplace was considered foreign aid.
Who did they make those stupid loans to?
I didn’t realize that “saving” people meant invading them.
Huh, this must be how people end up with those weird ideas - by reading only edited biased portions.
Did I say all of the countries? Nope.
You don’t understand the relationship with R&D costs to cost of the final product? And how that drives some of the costs of health care?
What does this have to do with anything?
No I don’t. I don’t see any benefit in price fixing, no choice, one cap and most likely ending up spending more for less. If it is so necessary for us to cover all of these people who claim they cannot afford insurance, why at the expense of what we already have?
I never said it was.
No, what I had was parents who had two children while living in poverty, until finally when I was around 7 or so years old my father bought a clue and went back to college so he could get a decent job. Even then, he dicked around with trying to work for himself, so money was almost always an issue. They were lucky that we never had any sort of serious crisis. As it was, I didn’t see a dentist until I was 12 (and full of cavities), and didn’t get treatment for chronic illnesses until I could afford to pay for it myself at about 25.
I have no idea. Minimum wage jobs were all I could get then and none were full time, nor particularly long term. If I remember correctly, minimum wage was about $2.50 in the late 70’s so even on the rare weeks I got 40 hours between the various jobs, that was only $100 a week, to pay rent, gas, food and whatever else was necessary that month. Apparently, those who want minimum wage to be a living wage have been at least partially successful.