Healthcare Reform Down In Flames?

It’s a weakly-reasoned opinion that, even if affirmed, will be affirmed on other grounds. Even non-lawyers should be able to see that the whole thing rests on an unsupported footnote (note 7), invalid legal reasoning (relying on the lack of cases saying something rather than cases negating the proposition or reasoning for why the proposition is false), and misstatement of precedent (see p. 24 regarding what the necessary and proper clause requires).

But it doesn’t really matter what any of the district courts say about the law, except for public relations purposes. Having at least one court say this challenge is legitimate is important for the cause of repeal.

Dang, I just made “forsure” into one word. :stuck_out_tongue:

I have to add that if I was like Machiavelli I would be glad to see this current plan fail just to see the inevitable happen in 15 or 20 years, we will soon find that indeed the US health care prices are a sick bubble that when it bursts with no alternative plan in place, it will make the hard election loss of the Democrats in 2010 to be a firecracker compared to a bomb the Republicans will suffer on the elections following the bubble burst.

But, should we do that, we need to allow a prefix or suffix that demonstrates whether it is meant sarcastically or not.

Don’t we?

There’s been quite a bit of discussion of this issue on various legal blogs. Basically, many complex pieces of legislation contain a “severability clause” which states that if one piece is found unconstitutional, the rest still applies. The HRC legislation does NOT contain such a clause. Apparently, one was proposed, but was not approved.

So, yes, if the individual mandate is struck down, pretty much the whole thing goes down.

Severance does not turn on the presence or absence of such a clause, except insofar as the presence or absence is indicative of Congressional intent. Congress probably intended for parts of the Act to rely on the individual mandate, but not all of it. Consequently, not all of the Act will be stricken if the mandate is found unconstitutional.

Do you have a link for those numbers, and the context of the polls cited, or am I just supposed to take your word for it, because as “Saint” Ronnie said, trust, but verify.

You ever hear of self employment tax? Its basically both employer and employee sides of social security and medicare.

well, if you are working under the table then presumably you aren’t paying any sort of taxes at all. The point isn’t that there are ways to break the law and skirt the tax, the point is that the tax applies to everyone.

Being from Virginia, I wouldn’t be surprised if our attorney general carefully picked his forum.

It is not strange, you will also be satisfied if the high cost of health care would be hidden from you when you have a good full time job.

IMHO most of that satisfaction would be gone if we all realized that that high cost means that companies or businesses would be reluctant to hire the number of people necessary to complete a task properly, leading to less output.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1475-6773.2009.00985.x/abstract

How the hell is that possible? 15% of the public didn’t even have insurance. Are you saying that everyone with insurance was happy with their health care before Obamacare was passed? Do you have a cite?

On the SDMB forums he is known for his other troglodyte anti-science and censorship exploits.

Yeah, sure, the fucking Shah of Iran can come here and get incredible medical care but the average level of health care received in the USA is worse. Not because the level of health care is lower than in other countries but because the access is so much worse.

You do not have to sign up for Medicare. You can not until you are 65 ,but if you don’t want to, you don’t have to. My brother never signed up for it and he died at 68.

I think the country would have been fine with single payer universal health care if Obama got the economy buzzing along. I think a lot of people were wondinering why Obama was fucking around with health care when unemployment was at 10%

Haven’t there been several ruling upholding the constitutionality of the law?

This is all very interesting GIGO and makes sense, but it does not answer the question I asked in post 66.

About a dozen have been dismissed on procedural grounds, and two have found that the law is constitutional on the merits.

Well, the things is I did see very similar numbers coming from the ones opposing reform in previous discussions, so I’m only doing some preemptive points. But yeah, I agree; bring on the cites, because as I also remember, in the previous discussions some of those cites were laughable.

To this point, even this judge, who found the mandate unconstitutional, declined to overturn the rest of the law.