Heater Help

We have semi-central heating (it only extends to a portion of the house). The heater is a gas/electric (uses gas, but with an electronic ignition – no pilot). Two days ago it just stopped working. The thermostat seems to work fine, the fan still blows, but it won’t turn on and heat the house.

We called a repair man to take a look at it. His diagnosis was “the brain is bad”, which is evidently a big problem. He was unable to offer any more detailed diagnosis than “the brain is . . . broke. It’s bad.”

He said that replacing the brain would run about $850; of course he didn’t have the part (brain?) and wasn’t sure where he’d find one (Igor’s lab?). He was pretty sure about the price though (ha!).

He also mentioned that our unit was not very good, and offered to install a new, quality unit, for $4,500 (!).

(I’m glad that spring is here – if this had happened in February, well, it would have sucked.)

My questions:

What is the “brain” of which he speaks?
Is $850 a reasonable price to replace a “brain”?
Is $4,500 a reasonable price to replace the entire unit (not that I’m contemplating that option, I’m just curious).

Any heating experts in the room?

Ya know, I’m pretty convinced there haven’t been heating experts involved yet period. :stuck_out_tongue:

I think asking for advice based on the ravings of those bereft of morals or skill isn’t going to help. I’d call someone else to take a look.

Ha!
I plan to have someone else come out, but don’t have a long list of trusted heating experts to choose from. I hope the next guy (out of the yellow pages, like the first guy) is better. I also wish I knew anything at all about the subject.

Not an expert, but you should be able to get a Rheem furnace for less then half that (and they’re pretty good). He’s either charging a lot for labor, or he’s doubling the cost of the product. However, I don’t know what a “brain” would go for. I would highly recommend a 2nd opinion, IMO.

I spent 9 years selling and trouble shooting heating and air-conditioning equipment, but I’ve been out of the business for 20 years except for repairing my own stuff as it needs it. So I do have some expert knowledge in this area, but it’s a little old. Take that for what you will.

The price quoted seems high to me. I would have guessed more like $500.

What you’re describing is called a “direct spark ignition” system. When the thermostat calls for heat, several things have to happen in sequence to safely light the main burner, keep it running for the correct amount of time, and shut it down.

I’m guessing by “brain” the repairman is talking about the electronic board that controls this sequence, and has all the controls and sensors connected to it. For a residential furnace, this will be the spark unit, flame sensor, high-temperature cut off, combustion air?flow switch, gas valve, any safety interlocks, the thermostat, and possibly relays to control the main blower motor.

Now bear in mind that replacing these boards, or anything else in a gas heating system IS NOT SOMETHING YOU DO YOURSELF unless you’re not only comfortable with basic electricity and control systems, but also familiar with gas heating systems. For most people, this means you need a repairman.

The last time I bought a control board (for my own furnace, five or six years ago) it ran about $150. In my day, it was common for HVAC repair companies to mark up their parts about 100% (i.e., double the price). By the way, by googling for you brand of furnace and “control board” you may find some hits on the board you need. Be careful, there is more than one kind of control board.

If the part is still available, any competent repairman should be able to troubleshoot the problem, and replace the part in an hour or two (not counting the time to chase parts). Another hour or so to test the unit through a few cycles, check for other potential problems, and that should do it.

So, assuming the board runs $150 to $200, and they charge $75 per hour, your cost would be $300 to $400 for the part, and $150 to $225 for labor.

You know how long it took him to troubleshoot it, and it shouldn’t be any more than another 2 hours to complete the repairs, unless there is some other problem that can’t be found until this part is working (possible, but unusual).

I’d say get a second estimate, and make sure it’s itemized for specific parts and labor costs.

Assuming your furnace to be one of the 80%+ units that have been on the market for the last 10 years or so, RJKUgly is basically on the money. Ignition is going to be via spark or hot surface with Cad cell eye flame verification.

Assuming nothing stupid has been overlooked (tripped breaker, bumped disconnect switch or the bottom panel isn’t properly seated after a filter change so the cabinet safety is open)
it could be the main circuit board, and wholesale price on them is ~$150. Some manufacturers won’t sell parts to independent technicians (Lennox, Carrier) but I’ve had no problem coming up with parts for every other brand, either from the manufacturer or a wholesaler like Johnstone, United Refrigeration, or Pierce-Phelps.

The last 85% furnace I sold, with a 3 ton evaporator and 14 SEER condenser was installed for under $4500. He’s blowing smoke up your toot.

The scenario you describe sounds and smells like an attempt to sell you a bill of goods.

Contact the local sales rep. for the product in question. If that is not possible contact and get written estimates from at least two other sales/service organizations.

A 2.3 ton heat pump with supplemental gas heat with complete insatllation of duct work and electrical connection with 10 year warranty on all parts and labor should run about $6,500 depending on marker area.

Thanks to everyone that resonded, and an update:

We had another heater repair guy come out (recommended by a plumber that we know and like).
Diagnosis: Not enough air flow through the filter, so the heat wouldn’t turn on.
Solution: Cleaned the filter.
Result: Works fine (better than before).
Cost: $75 for the visit.

Damn, why does it seem such a miracle to find an honest repairperson?

I love a happy ending.
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