OK. I guess I’m just slow on the uptake.
At the recent hearing, Heather said her profit was only $247 on the full price pen, so other folks in the supply chain are also taking profits. She didn’t point out that that profit is 2.5 times the old total price, presumably everyone used to make a profit even then.
You know, every time I read a thread like I want to take the NHS out for a nice dinner and a movie or something, let it know how much I appreciate it.
Huh, color me surprised.
Is the reason just ease/speed of use?
Drug companies spend millions to keep charging high prices
Caveat: this is an opinion piece, and is so marked. Be that as it may, if the general gist of this is true, you will be seething with rage before you finish. If you are not, you might be advised to check with your medical professional to establish that you are, for a certainty, human.
Actually, given how wrong everything is in this post, I wonder of etownster isn’t a troll for Epipen.
I have never been injected with an EpiPen, but I have worked with pure epinephrine on an open benchtop. It doesn’t take much to feel an effect. This was probably micrograms of material in my case and I think the current dosage out of an EpiPen is something like 0.3 mg. It will be a large adrenaline surge, but there’s no way that it will feel the same way for a healthy person as it will for someone in anaphylaxis.
It’s because Mylan has spent a shit ton of money lobbying and sending reps to schools and local governments to convince them they need to use EpiPens, specifically EpiPens. They give em a few free, and then sell them more when those run out or expire.
Epi in a vial has only a 3 month life span, so I’ve always believed the 1 year exp date on an EpiPen. But now that it’s becoming clear what raging unethical assholes are running Mylan, I wouldn’t be shocked if that was fake.
Anyone had any luck actually finding a pharmacy that stocks Adrenaclick? Not goodrx says they do, but actually talked to a pharmacist who has it? I haven’t found one yet.
A friend was doing WFR (Wilderness First Responder) training and got stuck when someone grabbed a real Epi-Pen instead of the trainer pen. She said the rush was quite intense but not overwhelming. They sent her to the hospital to be checked out just in case but no lasting effects.
Based on current and previous experience in Pharma, I wouldn’t be surprised if neither had truly been tested.
Personally, I’d go this route.
Five bucks, plus cost of a disposable syringe.
Not very practical for children or active people in general, though. One of the advantages of the autoinjectors is that they’re much easier and safer to carry.
As I asked in the GQ thread, are you confident in your ability to load a syringe & inject yourself while undergoing anaphylaxis? Posters in that thread who have had that experience said they are not.
Re. my remark in post 70: I wouldn’t be surprised if the actual shelf life was longer but, once it was proven that it was ok at X time, the makers didn’t test longer periods. Sometimes this kind of behavior from industries making semi-perishables (pharma, food) is CYA, sometimes it’s limited by legal restrictions. And hey, if people need to purchase it every 3 months it’s 4x as much sales as if they only need to purchase yearly; 8x as much as if it was every two years. They can always fall back on saying that “we cannot risk having so much as a single (vial/syringe) be off-spec when the patient is going to use it!”
As another person who has experienced anaphylaxis, no way I could draw from a vial and inject myself with a syringe. Unless I catch it before it gets serious, I assume my wife or someone else with me will be using the Epi-Pen. People that I hike with a lot I’ve let them use the trainer pen so they won’t be using it the first time on me in an emergency.
I’ve never experienced anaphylaxis, but I’ve read about people who preload syringes and store them in a light-tight container.
I take several anti-hypertensive medications, and I’m a bit of a cheapskate. For less than my copay for a month’s supply of 50 mg Losartan, I can buy a bottle of 100 mg Losartan, break them approximately in half, and have a six month supply.
So, yeah. If I needed epinephrine I’d find a work-around. Acceptable (to me) risk.
ETA: cite
What, if anything, does it say about Joe Manchin as a person, as a father, if his daughter turned out to be such a fucking cunt?
Under Mylan’s Patient Assistance plan, a family of four earning up to $97,200 now has no out of pocket expense for the Epipen. Shouldn’t that cover most families?
And to follow-up my brilliant point about this attack on a female CEO being incredibly sexist, try to imagine a Republican attacking a woman and saying she should fuck herself with something phallic, and the gallons of rage-filled tears that would flow from every media outlet and liberal from here to Pluto.
Only if they don’t have insurance.