Lets assume that you believe in heaven and hell (which i do…to an extent)
what are your personal heaven and hell? like hell is the most terrible thing you can imagine, and heaven is everything u could ever dream of?
mine would be: -
Heaven:
England’s landscape (green hills, lots of trees etc) with country roads and flat motorways, full of really nice lookin women (britney spears and holly valance would be there) and some celebrities/friends i think are cool.
ooooh, and every single car ever made.
and Hell:
it’d have hardly any colour, like a silent hill game, and people screaming in the distance all the time, spiders as big as rats, rottveilers, doberman’s - big dogs like that. It would be dark alot and smell like sh!t
If I recall my bible classes correctly that’s what the Christian hell was originally supposed to be before Dante came along with his inferno. It was basically just the absence of god.
To me heaven would be a place where people didn’t tell lame jokes about what hell is. YMMV
I should add: I didn’t mean anything towards meatros or the OP in my last post. I just don’t like those “DUDE, Hell is a Barry Manilow record that just keeps on playing and all the totally righteous babes are just out of reach” lines.
I figured as much-although, wouldn’t you admit that there would be a sort of hell if you were stuck with guys who said “DUDE, hell is a Barry Manilow record”
Now, if there is a hell-would God be in it? This may be one of those paradox deals, but I’m genuinely curious. Could there be a place where God isn’t ? There would have to be, in my mind, if Hell existed-wouldn’t there?
the bible explicitly say that we shouldn’t try and visualize/depict heaven or hell.
and hell is, by the way, a created idea, probably from the 15th century. Do note that in the old testament, there is NO mention of the word hell (or any equivalent) that at the same time describes it as we see it.
In the new testament, the word Hell, or underworld / other metaphor is used six times (i’ve read somewhere).
But to answer the question of Meatros:
Yes, he would have to be there. Of course, nobody said god is a good guy, and I wouldn’t think that of him, if he were in hell, seeing all those people getting tortured in some way or another.
Another question: Is there a crime so severe that it does indeed justify eternal punishment?
If it were up to me, people like David Koresh would be roasting in the furnace. I think anyone who leads people down the wrong religious path-especially as bad as he did-are the biggest sinners.
I don’t know about that. I mean the concept of an eternal bad place has been around since the Ancient Egyptions, IIRC. I also remember something faintly about Gilgamesh-maybe that was just the realm of the dead though…
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Well, yes. There were a place like hell in ancient egyptian legends, but the hell in christianity is a place of eternal torture, whilst the hell in egyptian religion was a place where you were punished for your crimes, for a while (a “while” is of course only a matter of perception).
There is a “land of the dead” in gilgamesh, but it was long ago that I read it, and I might be mistaken.
yes, Greece had Hades, but Hades is not a hell in the christian meaning (ie a place you go to if you have behaved badly).
Hell has many precursors, one is the from the norse mythos, Hel; the land of the dead. In norse mythos, a warrior killed in battle ended up in Valhall, and if he died because of weakness (not in battle), he ended up in Hel. On Ragnarök, the end of days, Hel fought on the “evil” side.
All in all, the Christian Hell is quite unique, since all other hells has a limited visit period.
The old Nickelodeon cartoon Rocko’s Modern Life had one of the more interesting, and dare I say, more “hellish” visions of Hell I’ve seen.
The character “Heffer,” a rather obese anthropomorphic steer, and choked nearly to death on a chicken bone at a restaurant, and his best friend Rocko had become trapped in Heffer’s labyrinthine digestive system after trying to reach down Heffer’s throat to clear his windpipe.
Clinically dead, Heffer’s soul arrives in a fiery “Heck” and is greeted by a robed demon named “Peaches.” (The names, Peaches explains, had to be changed because of the censors. The jurisdiction of Broadcast Standards and Practices, it seems, extends beyond death.) Peaches rolls away the landscape of Heck (“Ah, it’s just for tourists” he says), leaving only a blank white landscape and an old recliner facing a TV set. Peaches explains than since Heffer is in Heck for wanton gluttony, his punishment will be to watch Rocko, wander hopelessly through Heffer’s guts…until Rocko dies from starvation. And he’ll have to watch the recording over and over for eternity.
The episode had a happy ending, of course, but it taught an interesting lesson…Hell doesn’t have to be flames and demons to be effective, it could just be very personal.
and some celebrities/friends i think are cool.
